[WSIS CS-Plenary] RE: [Pwd] (unicode) [WSIS-CT] RE: [Ct-drafting] Please clarify
tminkowitz at earthlink.net
tminkowitz at earthlink.net
Mon Dec 8 23:32:30 GMT 2003
Hello all,
I have been reading these past few emails and want to comment that in the World Network of Users and Survivors of Psychiatry we prefer to not single out mental disability or mental health issues. It is crucial, because when we are singled out we face restriction of our rights.
Best wishes,
Tina Minkowitz
-----Original Message-----
From: "Elizabeth Carll, PhD" <ecarll at optonline.net>
Sent: Dec 7, 2003 10:11 AM
To: Monthian Buntan <mbuntan at tab.or.th>, aneufel1 at telus.net,
Hiroshi Kawamura <hkawa at attglobal.net>
Cc: pwd at wsis-cs.org, Rik Panganiban <rikp at bluewin.ch>,
wsis-cs-plenary <plenary at wsis-cs.org>, ct at wsis-cs.org
Subject: RE: [Pwd] (unicode) [WSIS-CT] RE: [Ct-drafting] Please clarify
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<DIV><SPAN class=765230115-07122003><STRONG>Dear All,</STRONG></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=765230115-07122003><STRONG>I appreciate the comments below and
agree with Thian as to the term "persons with all types of disabilities" or
persons with disabilities, as long as the the health section and
conclusion includes access to information specifically for both physical and
mental health. I will review and comment.</STRONG></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=765230115-07122003><STRONG></STRONG></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=765230115-07122003><STRONG>Best
regards,</STRONG> </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=765230115-07122003></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=765230115-07122003>
<DIV><SPAN class=156381802-07122003><SPAN
class=781295202-07122003><STRONG>Elizabeth</STRONG></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=156381802-07122003><STRONG></STRONG></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=156381802-07122003>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
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Elizabeth Carll</STRONG></SPAN></SPAN></P>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> pwd-admin at wsis-cs.org
[mailto:pwd-admin at wsis-cs.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Monthian
Buntan<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, December 07, 2003 6:47 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
aneufel1 at telus.net; Hiroshi Kawamura<BR><B>Cc:</B>
pwd at wsis-cs.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Pwd] (unicode) [WSIS-CT] RE:
[Ct-drafting] Please clarify<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT size=3>Dear
all:<BR><BR>When I suggest section 3.1.9, my main intention is address the
matter of fundamental rights. Therefore, I don't see any point in trying
to list all categories of disabilities. However, when some of us voice
their concerns whether mental disability, which I believe, is also subject to
be differently interpreted, I suggest the term "persons with all types of
disabilties." Then there was a counterproposal to say "persons with
disabilities" including mental, physical and others. My conclusion is
that we should not provoke any debate on these terms here. My concern is
that we're at risk of confusing the whole civil society if we try to come up
with words like these. I myself, and many in the blindness and deafness
communities, will be unhappy if the term "physical" is being used without
referring to visual and hearing. And I'm not sure if LD or autistic
people are happy or not to be included under the term "mental
disability." <BR><BR>After all, I believe the term "persons with all
types of disabilities", though a bit wordy, is the most inclusive and most
compromising.<BR><BR>Best regards,<BR><BR>Thian<BR><BR>At 05:12 PM 12/7/2003,
aneufel1 at telus.net wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite="" type="cite">Hello Hiroshi<BR>I am a little
confused. Does the following suggest that previous agreements<BR>providing
assurance for accessibility by people with all types of impairment<BR>(ie.
mental and physical) is at risk? <BR><BR>Monthian's subsequent e-mail
suggests to me that it may be, though my reading of<BR>the material below is
that it speaks primarily to the way in which health<BR>information may be
provided - and the added point that people with mental<BR>impairments of
various kinds not be excluded. Please clarify.<BR><BR>In terms of wording,
it seems to me we are much better off talking about 'health<BR>information'
than the phrase 'health care information'. The latter could
be<BR>limited to 'care' provisions and issues. I would think we should
promote open<BR>access to all kinds of information, including research on
health.<BR><BR>Aldred Neufeldt<BR>Chair, GLADNET<BR><BR>Quoting Hiroshi
Kawamura <hkawa at attglobal.net>:<BR><BR>> The following text is
copied from WSIS-CT mailing list with permission of<BR>> original author.
--- Hiroshi<BR>> <BR>>
----------------------------------------------------<BR>> <BR>> The
paragraph posted by Sally Burch, below is the latest and most
accurate<BR>> version of the MENTAL AND PHYSICAL HEALTH CARE section for
inclusion in the<BR>> "PRINCIPLES, GOALS AND CHALLENGES section ( or
possibly in Social Justice<BR>> section), which I had submitted.<BR>>
<BR>> The section should be titled; MENTAL AND PHYSICAL
HEALTH CARE<BR>> <BR>> The delivery of life-critical mental and
physical health information can be<BR>> facilitated and improved through
ICT-based solutions. Lack of access to<BR>> information and communication
has been identified as a critical factor in<BR>> the public mental and
physical health crises around the world. Experts have<BR>> suggested that
providing citizens of underdeveloped countries with<BR>>
community<BR>> level points of access to mental and physical health
information would be a<BR>> critical starting point for addressing the
mental and physical health care<BR>> crises. However, such access points
should support more than one-way flows<BR>> of information (for example,
from expert to community or patient).<BR>> Communities must be allowed to
participate in the selection and creation of<BR>> communication flows
that they find useful and necessary to address the<BR>> prevention,
treatment, and promotion of mental and physical health care for<BR>> all
people.<BR>> <BR>> In addition, please note the following revisions in
brackets, which were<BR>> previously recommended but in latest draft have
been omitted. Please<BR>> re-insert. Most of these refer to
specifying mental and physical health,<BR>> as<BR>> opposed to only
physical, and should be included for consistency and<BR>>
clarity.<BR>> <BR>> 3.2.4 Access to Information and the Means of
Communication, paragraph 3<BR>> <BR>> Specific needs and requirements
of all stakeholders, including those with<BR>> [mental and physical]
disabilities, must be....<BR>> <BR>> 3.2.5 Basic literacy, par 1 last
sentence<BR>> <BR>> People-centered information technologies can
foster eradication of [mental<BR>> and physical] illnesses and epidemics,
can help give everyone food,<BR>> shelter,<BR>> freedom and
peace.<BR>> <BR>> 3.2.5 Basic literacy, par 3 last sentence<BR>>
<BR>> must include a focus on the needs of people who have [mental and]
physical<BR>> impairments and all means of transcending those impairments
...<BR>> <BR>> 3.3.8 Human development – education and training, par
2<BR>> <BR>> Literacy, education, and research efforts in
the Information Society must<BR>> include a focus on the needs of people
who have [mental and] physical<BR>> impairments and all means of
transcending those impairments....<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> In par
4 -<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ...special needs: those of young and
elderly people, of women, of people<BR>> with [mental and physical]
impairments, of indigenous peoples, of migrant<BR>> communities, of
refugees and returnees in post-conflict situations, in a<BR>> life-long
perspective...<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> 3.3.9
Information generation and knowledge development - research, par 1,<BR>>
sentence 3<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Clear principles should be
developed for the use and exploitation of the<BR>> body of knowledge
produced [e.g. Scientific research data should be gender<BR>> and age
disaggregated for mental and physical health.]<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> 4. Conclusion, par 2, last sentence<BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ....the right to a standard of living adequate
for the [mental and<BR>> physical]<BR>> health and well-being of the
individual and his or her family, including<BR>> food housing and (delete
medical) [mental and physical health]care.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> 3.1.9 Rights of Persons with Disabilities:
recommended by Monthian Buntan<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> I also
support the inclusion of the section below recommended by Monthian<BR>>
Buntan, however, I would recommend the following revisions to be
consistent<BR>> with the rest of the document. While it is helpful
to specify types and<BR>> degree of disabilities, these can be seen as
referring to physical only as<BR>> often mental and physical health care
have been disconnected in many<BR>> countries.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> 3.1.9 Rights of Persons with [Mental and Physical]
Disabilities:<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> In the inclusive information
society, the rights of persons with [mental<BR>> and<BR>> physical]
disabilities to have full and absolute equal access to<BR>>
information<BR>> and communications including ICTs, regardless of types
and degree of<BR>> disabilities, must be ensured by laws and policies at
all levels. In order<BR>> to achieve such goal, Universal Design
principle and the use of assistive<BR>> technologies must be seriously
promoted and supported throughout the whole<BR>> process of building and
nurturing the information society in which PWDs and<BR>> their
organizations must be allowed to participate fully and on equal
terms<BR>> with non-disabled people.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> Thank you for all your work on this. Look forward to
meeting everyone in<BR>> Geneva as hoping to arrive Monday morning,
however, there is a huge<BR>> blizzard<BR>> and snowing now in New
York and flights are delayed.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
Elizabeth<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Dr. Elizabeth Carll<BR>>
<BR>> Focal Point<BR>> <BR>> International Society for Traumatic
Stress Studies<BR>> <BR>> Tel: 631-754-2424<BR>> <BR>> Fax:
631-754-5032<BR>> <BR>> ecarll at optonline.net<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
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