AW: Re: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [governance] Internet governance :roles of plenary and governance lists

Sat Jan 24 10:48:19 GMT 2004

I understand Jean Louis points, but we should make a difference between "informal discussions" and "formal negotiations". 

At this point and in this workshop there is no need to speak with "one voice" as "official representative" of a "stakeholder" group. The participating governments will have many different voices (united to a high degree by their understanding of "state sovereignty"), the participating private sector members will have different voices (united to a high degree by their understanding of "free market") and so "civil society" will have different voices (united to a high degree by their understandiong of "bottom up", "openess" and "transparency"). 

The problem with the ITU workshop is that ITU has only governments and private sector as members. There is no category of civil society membership. Probably the ITU Workshop is a good opportunity, to invite ITU, to start a discussion on the introduction of a new category of membership in the organisation (afzer WSIS has more or less officially recognized civil society as an "important stakeholder"" / Article 49 of the WSIS Declaration). 

I remmeber the long debate before Kyodo 1994, when the concept of the "big M´s" (governments) and "small M´s" (private sector) was developed. It was further developped by Minneapolis 1998. After Marrakesh 2002, governments and private secor are de facto rather equal in the ITU. 

With the next ITU Plenipotentiary two years away (2006), this could be a right moment to challenge the limited openess of ITU, to propose a change of the ITU constitution and to introduce a third category of ITU membership for CSOs. 

And do not forget, the ITU workshop is only one event in an exploding long series of official or semi-official positioning seminars around the globe to prepare for the "big thing", the Kofi Annan IG Group. 

Best wishes

wolfgang

Original Nachricht--
Von: Fullsack Jean-Louis <jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr>
An: plenary at wsis-cs.org
Senden: 23.01.2004
Betreff: Re: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [governance] Internet governance  :roles of plenary and governance lists

Sorry, Wolfgang, Adam and others
Once more the ITU Secretary general has selected his interlocutors. This is
unacceptable for the Civil Society.
If the CS is to participate as a speeking partner in these "panel
discussions" we -the CS Plenary- ought to be informed previously about
the
content and rationale of the CS contributions and/or position. And we -the
CS Plenary- are to designate our representative(s) accordingly.
No closed doors negociations on behalf of the CS and please no
"welcome" for
Utsumi's nominal "invitations".
Jean-Louis Fullsack
CSDPTT

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> I also received an invitation from ITU a few hours ago, and
> am trying to modify my schedule to go.
>
> I fully agree with Vittorio that we should coordinate our
participation.
>
> izumi
>
>
> At 11:04 04/01/21 +0100, Vittorio Bertola wrote:
>  >wolfgang at imv.au.dk
ha scritto:
>  >> Thanks Adam & Jeanette,
>  >> this is good step forward.
>  >> What do you think about a Caucus Website?
>  >
>  >Actually, I was tasked with preparing it in Geneva, and I have
started
> working. I stopped when the discussion on our name & domain name
went
> nowhere, but if we can accept to live with the name Adam registered on
his
> own (gov-net.org), I think I can come up with an initial site by the
next
> weekend. At least, I hope so.
>  >
>  >> I think the letter to Kofi Annan$B%((Bs office is as urgent as
a
letter to
> Utsumi. It should be short letters. Could you write a first draft?
>  >
>  >Support. I think our new coordinators should manage the agenda and
get
> deliverables done :)
>  >
>  >> Concerning the letter to Utsumi, we should take note in this
letter
> (and welcome), that some Caucus members has been invited by him in
their
> personal capacity as experts and than propose three other names. As far
as
> I know Milton and Betrand has been invited officially.
>  >
>  >I got an "early notice of an invitation" yesterday evening.
(So I don't
> need a "ticket" from the caucus, I think.)
>  >
>  >An interesting note is that the invitation says that invited experts
are
> supposed to express their preference on whether they would like
"to
>  >either introduce their contributions, make presentations and/or
>  >participate in panel discussions". I think we should
coordinate
ourselves
> so that CS people don't end up all in the panels or all making
> presentations... The agenda is not clear yet, but, if we can, I think
we
> should try to get a CS person in every relevant panel (assuming that
the
> organizers will agree, of course...)
>  >--
>  >.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo vb.
>  >Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu.org
>  >http://bertola.eu.org/    <-- Vecchio sito, nuovo
toblog!
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