[WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [governance] Internet governance :roles of plenary and governance lists

Izumi Aizu izumi at anr.org
Mon Jan 26 15:23:31 GMT 2004


At 13:17 04/01/26 +0100, William Drake wrote:
 >
 >Izumi, Vittorio, et al, beyond just saying we adhere to certain baseline CS
 >principles, wouldn't it be possible for us to agree on something like a
 >short benchmarks (I wouldn't say non-negotiables) document of general
 >principles on both process and substance?  They've expressed willingness to
 >make room in the program for someone to outline a shared position, and I
 >think it'd be a waste to let that opportunity slip away because some of us
 >variously disagree on specific details....

Sure - trying to come up with that short benchmarks is fine,
unless it requires too much time to agree with among us;-).

izumi



 >
 >Bill
 >
 >
 >
 >> -----Original Message-----
 >> From: plenary-admin at wsis-cs.org
 >> [mailto:plenary-admin at wsis-cs.org]On Behalf Of Chun Eung Hwi
 >> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 9:38 AM
 >> To: plenary at wsis-cs.org
 >> Cc: bjaffre at csdptt.org
 >> Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [governance] Internet
 >> governance :roles of plenary and governance lists
 >>
 >>
 >> Dear all,
 >>
 >> So far as I know, it is definitely ITU workshop.
 >> Refer to http://www.itu.int/osg/spu/forum/intgov04/index.html
 >>
 >> There, you can find out the following phrase.
 >>
 >> "The workshop's goal is to initiate a process to prepare ITU's position
 >>
 >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 >> vis-a-vis the UN Secretary-General's Working Group on Internet Governance
 >> to be established as a result of the World Summit on the Information
 >> Society Declaration of Principles and Action Plan agreed on 12 December
 >> 2004."
 >>
 >> And regarding attendee,
 >>
 >> "Attendance is by invitation only to ITU Member States and Sector
 >> Members."
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >> On Mon, 26 Jan 2004, Fullsack Jean-Louis wrote:
 >>
 >> > Bonjour ?tous
 >> >
 >> > Another problem with this meeting is its ambivalence :
 >> > - is it an "ITU internal meeeting" , or
 >> > - is it a "WSIS informal meeting".
 >> > This ambivalence is based on the dual role of Utsumi : he is
 >> both the ITU SG
 >> > and the Head of WSIS organisation/structure.
 >> > Iin the first case the meeting is submitted to ITU rules, whereas in the
 >> > second it is compulsorily open to all WSIS "stakeholders", whatever its
 >> > nature may be (informal, restricted, specialized, ...).
 >> > It would be helpful to listen to the opinion of the CS
 >> Secretariat ... if
 >> > there is still one !
 >> > But it should also be the role of C&T group "co-chairs" Sally
 >> and Bill to
 >> > lead the way at least until it is clarified which type of
 >> meeting Utsumi is
 >> > preparing, unless a "chair of the CS Plenary" could be agreed
 >> upon by the
 >> > largest possible CS organisations involved in the WSIS process.
 >> >
 >> > Best regards
 >> > Jean-Louis Fullsack
 >> > CSDPTT
 >> >
 >> >
 >> > ----- Original Message -----
 >> > From: "Vittorio Bertola" <vb at bertola.eu.org>
 >> > To: <plenary at wsis-cs.org>
 >> > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 7:36 PM
 >> > Subject: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [governance] Internet
 >> governance :roles
 >> > of plenary and governance lists
 >> >
 >> >
 >> > On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 23:11:36 +0900, Adam Peake <ajp at glocom.ac.jp> wrote:
 >> >
 >> > >With respect, I think you are being naive, and civil society is
 >> > >likely being disadvantaged.
 >> >
 >> > I agree with your considerations, but I also think we have to agree on a
 >> > realistic plan.
 >> >
 >> > On one hand, you can't credibly go to an ITU internal meeting and try to
 >> > revert their internal working rules; if the only way we have to
 >> participate
 >> > in this event at this stage is to be invited as individuals, well, let's
 >> > take it. And by the way, I'm not even sure whether all civil
 >> society people
 >> > will be participating thanks to an invitation as individual
 >> expert, rather
 >> > than, for example, as accredited person from some governmental
 >> delegation,
 >> > as happened during the summit. Also, you can't force people who
 >> were invited
 >> > as individuals to go there and say something different from
 >> their individual
 >> >
 >> > thought.
 >> >
 >> > But on the other hand, we do have to coordinate so that our message is
 >> > effective, that the positions on which there is general
 >> agreement among us
 >> > are exposed loudly and repeated again and again, and that it is
 >> made clear
 >> > that those positions have the support of the civil society
 >> individuals and
 >> > organizations which participate in WSIS. This is the only way not to
 >> > disperse our strength.
 >> >
 >> > I think that some of these agreeable positions might be easy to
 >> find: for
 >> > example, I think we should stress that the UN working group on Internet
 >> > Governance, as part of the WSIS process, should be equally
 >> composed by civil
 >> > society, private sector and government representatives; that Internet
 >> > Governance needs the full involvement of civil society organizations and
 >> > individual Internet users, as recognized by the Declaration of
 >> Principles;
 >> > that ITU itself, if willing to organize future events on this
 >> matter, should
 >> > ensure better and more open ways for participation by civil society, and
 >> > that, more generally, ITU should offer a viable way for NGOs to
 >> participate
 >> > in its activities; and that the Internet Governance caucus, as
 >> a subgroup of
 >> > the WSIS civil society plenary, is the right place to coordinate civil
 >> > society participation in the process.
 >> >
 >> > So what we should propose to all those who were invited as
 >> "individual civil
 >> > society experts" is to go there, say what they want to say, and
 >> then add the
 >> > above message.
 >> > --
 >> > vb.               [Vittorio Bertola - v.bertola [a]
 >> bertola.eu.org]<------
 >> > http://bertola.eu.org/  <- Vecchio sito, nuovo tobl?...
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