AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: Requests/demands for CS
participation in Tunis phase
Robert Guerra
rguerra at cpsr.org
Thu Mar 11 00:10:07 GMT 2004
I've only just returned from the WSIS Tunis informal meeting and Berlin
- where i met my German CS colleagues.
Notes and comments on what was discussed, at both the govermental
meeting and CSB meeting will be out soon.
In the meantime, i've scanned and uploaded the draft roadmap which was
distributed so that those of us on the list can have some idea of what's
being discussed as a possible "plan" for phase II.
<a
href="http://cms.privaterra.org/tiki-download_file.php?fileId=42">Roadma
p.pdf (35.45 Kb)</a>
In terms of organizing a virtual meeting - yup, on it. will update
plenary when there are more details are available.
regard
Robert
--On Wednesday, March 10, 2004 3:17 PM -0800 Amali De Silva
<amalidesilva at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Robert
>
> Could you please in the name of our common world good:
>
> 1. Connect with Andy and Derrick
>
> 2. Choose a "system" that requires the user to have the least amount
> of technologically sophisticated paraphenalia at hand
> 3. Pick two dates and times for a virtual realtime meeting - so that
> both halves of the world can make a connection sometime
> 4. Enable an archiving system so that those who miss it can access the
> archives
> 5. Advertise / Advise plenary of the meeting times with good advance
> notice ( say 4 days )
> and moderate it !!! ????
>
> I would be pleased to develop an agenda for this process.
>
> Amali De Silva - Mitchell
>
> Andy Carvin <ACarvin at edc.org> wrote:
> In Geneva last December, we hosted an event for our Digital Divide
> Network and had it streamed live over the Internet, courtesy of the
> Digital Workforce Education Society:
>
> http://www.digibridge.org/id9.html
>
>
> The stream allowed users anywhere in the world to log into the site,
> listen to the audio of the meeting, ask questions via chat and voice,
> see still photos of the event taken every 10 seconds, and access a
> whiteboard space. The technology worked pretty well, though it was
> inaccessible to people using Macs (which would have included myself
> if I hadn't gone to WSIS to host the event). There's also the issue
> of accessibility to people with disabilities, but the folks at
> ncam.org are developing tools to offer closed captioning of streaming
> video, for example.
>
> thanks,
> ac
>
> -------------------------------------------------
> Andy Carvin
> Program Director
> EDC Center for Media & Community
> acarvin @ edc . org
> http://www.digitaldividenetwork.org
> -------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
> Amali De Silva
> Sent by: plenary-admin at wsis-cs.org
> 03/10/04 12:41 PM
> Please respond to plenary
>
> To: plenary at wsis-cs.org
> cc:
> Subject: Re: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: Requests/demands for
> CS participation in Tunis phase
>
>
> I support your inclusive ( input from all on the list via virtual
> mechanisms ) approach Robert. I understand Derrick ( fyi ) was also
> trying out a "system". Your suggestion however, may be accessible by
> all ?
>
> Amali De Silva - Mitchell
> President Vancouver Community Network, Canada
>
> Robert Guerra wrote:
> Wolfgang:
>
>
> why just physical meetings? shouldn't we try to use ICT4s to help
> reduce distances and costs for us all to meet, discuss and try to
> move forward?
>
> a couple of comments:
>
> (1) IAMCR meeting:
>
> Instead of the IAMCR meeting, i'd suggest having the WSIS session at
> OURMedia IV, which is being held just before IAMCR.
>
>
> Details:
>
> Puerto Alegre, Brazil July 22-25
>
>
> (2) Ways of participating virtually should be on the agenda as well.
> Not only for the meeting you mention, but days in between.
>
> Thus, i'd suggest having an virtual "informal" meeting before the
> march UN ICT Task force meeting in New York. Planning ahead, and
> devising an agenda and our own "road map" of activities would - be a
> positive thing.
>
> possible dates: March 19,20,21, 22 or 23
> where: online - i can setup a IRC channel and a Java based applet so
> that one can enter the virtual room with just a browser.
>
> i'd suggest 1 or 2, 2-3 hr sessions where we'd conduct a virtual
> plenary.
>
> comments?
>
> Robert
>
> --On Wednesday, March 10, 2004 12:07 PM +0100 wolfgang at imv.au.dk wrote:
>
>> dear list,
>>
>> to bring more balance into meeting places I would like to propose to
>> use two forthcoming ICANN meetings in developing countries (July in
>> Kuala Lumpur/Malaysia) and December in Cape Town/South Africa) for
>> special WSIS coordination meetings and /or regional meetings. A third
>> relevant world conference is organized by the "Internaitonal
>> Association for Media and Communication Research" (IAMCR) in July in
>> Porto Allegre/Brazil. The IAMCR will have a number of smaller
>> workshops and a "big plenary", probably with high officials from the
>> UN and from UNESCO, on itd agenda . Also here, additional reigonal
>> meetings (in the local language) could be organized to promote more
>> civil society interaction between North and South.
>>
>> best
>>
>> wolfgang
>>
>> -- Original Nachricht--
>> Von: Sasha Costanza-Chock
>> An: Nnenna ,plenary at wsis-cs.org
>> Senden: 09.03.2004
>> Betreff: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: Requests/demands for CS participation
>> in Tunis phase
>>
>> Hi nnenna, thanks for your message. I hope you don't mind that I CC
>> this to the Plenary.
>>
>> I hope you could see from what I wrote that I am not proposing
>> confrontation for confrontation's sake, and that I also believe
>> holding the summit in Tunis is better for Tunisians and for African
>> civil society in general than holding it again in Geneva, NY, or
>> another place in the 'North.'
>>
>> At the same time, I am also sure that we do not want a repeat of what
>> happened in Geneva, where in political terms civil society was
>> unorganized, took very few strong positions, failed almost completely
>> to engage social movements of the base, missed many opportunities to
>> advance discourse, critique, alternative solutions. We were organized
>> enough to produce a wonderful consensus document, but not enough to
>> make demands for basic necessities (for example, a dedicated physical
>> space to meet and take decisions) or to make strong symbolic presence
>> felt within the space.
>>
>> The reality is that the summit _does_ need the participation of CS: it
>> needs us for purposes of legitimacy. They are desperate to find an
>> alternative to the 'global governance' model that sees every meeting
>> of high level government officials behind high fences, with thousands
>> of riot police gassing and beating tens or hundreds of thousands of
>> citizens in the streets below, opposing the current version of
>> globalization and proposing alternatives.
>>
>> They hope that by including 'civil society' they can avoid this
>> situation and make decisions seem legitimate.
>>
>> This means they must open the door, at least a crack, to our
>> participation.
>>
>> It then becomes our task, not to be joyful for a seat in the peanut
>> gallery, but to make our participation meaningful: to insist. To make
>> demands. To take stands where we need to.
>>
>> I only mean to say that I hope we will be organized enough during this
>> next phase to avoid bestowing the cover of legitimacy, unless we
>> receive more concessions than a fistful of 'overpasses' so we can
>> take turns sitting in the back row and listening to the powerful make
>> empty promises.
>>
>> Sasha
>>
>>
>> Nnenna wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Sasha
>>>
>>> Thanks for your thoughtful message. The Tunisian system is
>>> different.
>>
>>> It is different from the US, China, Nigeria or anynother country. I
>>> do
>>
>>> not judge systems the way some people did recently. I would rather
>>> speak with those on the ground.
>>>
>>> I did speak with Tunisian CS members. I can agree that that there is
>>> a
>>
>>> possiblity that all of them are pro-regime. You understand?
>>>
>>> Then I went to see ex-colleagues at the African Development Bank.
>>> They
>>
>>> are people with diplomatic status. They are not afraid of the
>>> regime. They are still new to the system and they can still see the
>>> difference. I was there the whole of Thursday. I spoke with them at
>>> length.
>>>
>>> And my personal perspective is that what needs to be changed is the
>>> system. But you don't change systems overnight. You lay the
>>> foundation
>>
>>> for it.
>>>
>>> That is why I belive tha the WSIS in Tunis should be a good
>>> oppurtunity
>>
>>> to help lay foundations for a better freer Tunisia. Support and
>>> reeducation is needed, not noisemakling and boycotting.
>>>
>>> On a final note, the ITU SG made it clear that the WSIS was a
>>> gorvenment
>>
>>> stuff. CS is only "invited"! We can only contribute. This is a
>> good
>>> chance for the CS to make good use of the oppurtunity.
>>>
>>> Yes, I believe we should draft a position paper, enjoining the
>>> Tunisian
>>
>>> government to enable a freer environment : political, social and
>> economic.
>>>
>>> That, I agree.
>>>
>>> Very best
>>>
>>> Nnenna
>>>
>>>
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