Fw: [WSIS CS-Plenary] About the UN document system, and lessons for information diffusion

Carlos Afonso ca at rits.org.br
Thu Jan 6 16:22:42 GMT 2005


Sorry, Kouraich, but Fast Browser is little more than a new "skin" for 
MS Internet Explorer (it does not run without M$IE), and it works only 
on Windows machines.

--c.a.

Kouraich.Jaouahdou at unctad.org wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> The ODS site works without any problem with a browser like "Fast 
> Browser".
>
> You can download it from : http://www.fastbrowser.net/download.html
> More on "Fast Browser" on: http://www.fastbrowser.net/index.html
>
> Kouraich
>
>
>
>
>
> 	*Ramin Kaweh*
>
> 06.01.2005 14:54
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>         To:        Kouraich Jaouahdou/GVA/UNCTAD at UNCTAD-NOTES
>         cc:        
>         Subject:        Fw: [WSIS CS-Plenary] About the UN document 
> system, and lessons for information diffusion
>
>
>
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> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> Ramin Kaweh
> Programme Officer
> UN-NGLS (Non-Governmental Liaison Service)
> Palais des Nations
> 1211 Geneva 10
> Switzerland
> tel:  0041.22. 917 2078
> fax: 0041.22. 917 0432
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> ----- Forwarded by Ramin Kaweh/GVA/UNCTAD on 06.01.2005 14:54 -----
>
> 	*Andy Carvin <acarvin at edc.org>*
> Sent by: plenary-admin at wsis-cs.org
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> 06.01.2005 14:35
> Please respond to plenary
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>         Subject:        Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] About the UN document 
> system, and lessons for information diffusion
>
>
>
>
> Not sure if anyone has mentioned this aspect already, but the site fails
> even the most basic Web accessibility standards for the disabled (the
> W3C WAI standard). They don't even provide ALT tags for the graphics on
> the homepage.
>
> http://bobby.watchfire.com/bobby/bobbyServlet?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fdocuments.un.org&gl=wcag1-aaa&test=
>
> If this had been a US govt site, it would have also failed to pass the
> Section 508 guidelines required by law to make all government sites have
> rudimentary accessibility.
>
> http://bobby.watchfire.com/bobby/bobbyServlet?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fdocuments.un.org&gl=sec508&test=
>
> ac
>
> Rik Panganiban wrote:
> > Thanks everyone for your detailed feedback on the ODS system. I am in
> > touch with some United Nations folks about this, who are also concerned
> > about the non-compatibility of the code. Indeed it would be strange if
> > the UN did not comply with internationally-accepted standards.
> >
> > Rik Panganiban
> >
> > On Jan 6, 2005, at 5:14 AM, Hervé Le Crosnier wrote:
> >
> >     Georg C. F. Greve a écrit :
> >
> >         rp> The ODS can be accessed at http://documents.un.org.
> >
> >
> >         I just tried this and had problems actually getting to the
> >         documents,
> >         others have reported similar problems with non-IE browsers on
> >         Windows
> >         and Macintosh. It appears the site is running on Microsoft 
> and is
> >         using Microsoft-only functions for Javascript.
> >         Could someone else please confirm whether this effect also
> >         exists for
> >         them or whether this is some odd freak-incident that I have been
> >         seeing?
> >
> >
> >
> >     Hello,
> >
> >     I've also try the UN doc system.
> >
> >     To me it don't work either...
> >
> >     This answer is not a technical one
> >     (though i give technical advice), but rather
> >     a short insight on the way we have to deal
> >     with information in the information society.
> >
> >
> >     The UN site seems intersting... but what a poor realisation.
> >     Ugly style... and more : it don't work.
> >
> >     Why ?
> >
> >     Why do they use such a complicated system only to
> >     return back the id of the document we need ?
> >     At the end of this mail is the javascript code they use...
> >     it's not useful, but i think it will work with my Mozilla
> >     on Linux... So the problem is not that one.
> >
> >     Where's the problem... that's a good question. Not only
> >     a geek one. What are the criterions such a rich and
> >     powerful body as UN use to assess an information system ?
> >
> >     It works on the developer computer, so it have to work
> >     for everyone ?
> >
> >     So many times international recognized standards are not in
> >     use... and more, standard of practice and programming skills
> >     are not used by developpers of international and wide-world
> >     information systems.
> >
> >     It's a long way to have head of administrative
> >     structures to survey their own systems, and to be sure
> >     they work for anyone (from the visually-impaired to the users
> >     of others systems). They don't have the skills... OK,
> >     that's not their job. But they have to hire good analysts,
> >     to provide system-control check lists, have independant
> >     watchers (never ask the developper to test his own system...).
> >
> >     That's really "information society". As we go to give more and
> >     more power to system wide coders, we have to define new
> >     skills and practices for assessing those systems. And that's a
> >     new kind of "governance", and may be of "government".
> >
> >     Free software, as it give the ability to learn and share
> >     skills, and the capacity for any nation to develop it's
> >     own computer science economy, are a good tool for this
> >     new conception of responsability of public providers of
> >     information to ensure that any users can get access and
> >     have satisfaction with the systems they propose to the public.
> >
> >     Hervé Le Crosnier
> >
> >     PS : here is the javascript code... the problem is not there, but
> >     merely in the retunr asp programm...
> >
> >     My two cents technical advice :
> >     Give away Front page, use any front-end
> >     to the UN database, publish the API to
> >     access the database (or any other data
> >     collected system to use)... and in a minute
> >     tens of programmers will add access to the
> >     UN documents in their own systems !!!
> >
> >     Freeing the public national or international
> >     documents is not a question of publishing them,
> >     but of organising the acccess for any "publisher"
> >     (private or cooperative, or even other national
> >     or international bodies) to integrate those documents
> >     in their services.
> >
> >     Look at the way commercial systems as Amazon
> >     offer that kind of API, and the massive use
> >     all over very different kind of web prducers.
> >
> >     Look at the success of RSS,...
> >
> >     Yes building information societies is also a
> >     problem of opening access to digital documents.
> >     And we need to teach those who are in charge of
> >     deciding that it's not a "technical" problem they
> >     have to give to a technical staff, but it's also
> >     a political problem they have to deal with.
> >
> >     "Code is Law" as say Larry Lessig.
> >
> >     --------------------------------------
> >     <script language="javascript">
> >     function Perform(action_name) {
> >     var form = document.forms[0];
> >     form.lastevent.value=action_name;
> >     form.submit();
> >     return true;
> >     }
> >
> >     function ViewDoc(index) {
> >     var form = document.forms[0];
> >     form.doc2view.value=index;
> >     form.submit();
> >     return Perform("results.view");
> >     }
> >
> >     function Perform1(language){
> >     var form = document.forms[0];
> >     form.langchoice.value=language;
> >     form.submit();
> >     return Perform('results.lang');
> >     }
> >     </script>
> >
> >
> >
> > ===============================================
> > RIK PANGANIBAN Communications Coordinator
> > Conference of NGOs in Consultative Relationship with the United Nations
> > (CONGO)
> > web: http://www.ngocongo.org
> > email: rik.panganiban at ngocongo.org
> > mobile: (+1) 917-710-5524
> >
> > ** Please note CONGO's new mailing address: *CP 50, 1211 Genéve 20,
> > Switzerland.*  Our physical office address is 11, Avenue De La Paix, 
> 1st
> > Floor, 1202 Genéve, Switzerland. **
> >
>
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