[WSIS CS-Plenary] IG success/failure scenarios

Fri Jul 29 16:38:55 BST 2005

Hi Bill, Wolfgang et al,

According to the latest, there will probably be no 3+ or 3++, at least not
in Geneva (there is also no budget for that) The thinking goes more into
having something back to back in Tunis, if necessary. The pressure to
resolve any open issues will not be enough in an event 3-4 weeks prior to
the Summit, and therefore rather useless, as it was in the Geneva +3s (no
advance in negotiations) Pressure builds up 24-48 hours before heads of
State arrive. So we should take this into our considerations and planning.

(These considerations can naturally be reversed by any decision or total
catastrophe of PrepCom3)

Renata
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Envoyé : vendredi, 29. juillet 2005 11:03
À : plenary at wsis-cs.org; Wolfgang Kleinwächter
Objet : [WSIS CS-Plenary] IG success/failure scenarios

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Hi Wolfgang,

Whether failure is the most likely scenario with respect to IG (I gather
you're not addressing the other issues here) depends on exactly what you
think would constitute failure or success.  If PC3 manages to close with at
least an agreement for a closer and structured evaluation of the forum
options, it may not be entirely impossible for PC 3+ to agree on the
principle and maybe modalities for a smaller group to develop the details.
There will only be three weeks left before Tunis when 3+ ends, and there
could be a strong desire to get this off the table so they can address the
non-IG items (or maybe that would move in reverse).

On the other big IG issue of oversight, irrespective what the world might
say, it is simply impossible to imagine the Bush people going to this
Congress to try to sell any changes with respect to the zone file or ICANN,
especially when there are a lot of powerful constituencies that don't see
problems that can't be handled within existing framework, and when no
detailed alternative frameworks have been proposed.  And bear in mind that
some Congress critters are still thumping the tub over Oil for Food and
Annan's son, etc; while none of this will go anywhere, the mood simply
precludes an adult conversation about what would be framed as a potentially
destabilizing "UN takeover" of critical infrastructure.  Getting agreement
on the forum would be a major problem as it is, there's no way they add this
into the pot.

So would creation of a forum and agreement to keep talking about oversight
there and elsewhere (and hopefully all the other issues pertaining to
existing arrangements as well) constitute a failure, or a success?

Best,

Bill

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> From: plenary-admin at wsis-cs.org [mailto:plenary-admin at wsis-cs.org]On
> Behalf Of Wolfgang Kleinwächter
> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 6:18 PM
> To: plenary at wsis-cs.org; plenary at wsis-cs.org
> Subject: AW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [Wsis-pct] IPJ: US & Japan Upset
> Consensus for Development Agenda at WIPO
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> And more will come. Looking forward, I see a great conflict
> between G 20 + China and US on IG during PrepCom3, PrepCom3+ and
> PrepCom3++ without any agreement in Tunis. My two scenarios for
> Tunis are:
> a. failure with a continuation of the discussion and
> b. failure without a continuation of the discussion.
> Too pessimistic?
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> Best
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> Von: plenary-admin at wsis-cs.org im Auftrag von Rainer Kuhlen
> Gesendet: Mi 27.07.2005 10:35
> An: plenary at wsis-cs.org
> Betreff: Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [Wsis-pct] IPJ: US & Japan
> Upset Consensus for Development Agenda at WIPO
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> good points Richards - it´s not only WIPO where the US try to block any
> attempts to find alternative solutions to the commercialization of
> knowledge and information. As some of you know, the UNESCO attempts to
> pass the convention on cultural diversity on its next general conference
> late in fall 2005. Althought the current text is already a rather
> sterilized version, the US opposes it and tries the usual bi-lateral
> strategy to convince other states not to agree to the convention. I
> doubt whether it feasible to expel the US from international UN
> organization, but the chances are there that they voluntarily will
> retreat (as they have done from the UNESCO in th 80ies as protest
> against the New World Information and Communication Order - by he way,
> among the leading NWIKO supporters were the same nations, Brazil etc.,
> which have initiated the WIPO development agenda) What can be learned
> form all these lessons with respect to WSIS?
> RK
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> >The US attitude is probably that WIPO exists to do the empire's
> >bidding and otherwise should do nothing at all.  It will probably
> >prevent any work on the development agenda if it is approved.
> >
> >There are two possible ways to respond to this:
> >
> >1. The countries that promoted the development agenda should retaliate
> >by simply blocking everything that the US wants WIPO to do.  That is a
> >partial victory anyway.  WIPO has done primarily harm in the past, so
> >if it does no further harm, that is better.
> >
> >2. Maybe they can vote to expel the US and Japan from WIPO.  The US
> >under business-dominated rule will not sign any WIPO treaty unless it
> >takes away rights from the citizens.  So if WIPO ever proposes a
> >treaty that goes in the other direction, the US won't sign it anyway.
> >Therefore, there's nothing to lose by expelling the US now?  It might
> >then be possible to disavow the WIPO copyright treaty, so that it
> >cannot be used as an excuse for US pressure to adopt laws like the
> >DMCA.
> >
> >If this results in a decrease in funding for WIPO "technical
> >assistance", that would be another step forward.  That "technical
> >assistance" is structured to bribe patent officials lawfully, with
> >foreign resort junkets, and train them to repeat megacorporate
> >propaganda.
> >
> >Does the WIPO General Assembly also operate by consensus?
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