[wsis-finance] Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [Africa-CS-WSIS]Re: Who and what is Civil Society

Fri Mar 25 21:01:18 GMT 2005

Dear Djilali and Diana
I cannot support Dana's opinion about "Who qualifies as civil society". If I read correctly her wording, business actors might qualify as CS ! This is perhaps very original but I wonder if our friends from the "real" CS will approve it. As for me it is definitely NO.
BTW, Diana's statement is in contradiction with her previous alinea where she specifies that "anyone who belongs to a society is a member of CS (???)  IF THEY STEP OUT of their professional disguise". Where is the logic and which terms really apply ?
Thanks for your answer
and best regards
Jean-louis Fullsack
CSDPTT

> Message du 25/03/05 10:24
> De : "djilali benamrane" 
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> Objet : [wsis-finance] Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [Africa-CS-WSIS]Re: Who and what is Civil Society
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> Thanks Diana for your comments i accept and
> support.Since the Geneva Summit in 2003, i try to do
> my best to rise in different places and at different
> levels, this problem of translation to connect african
> CS and we are progressing. Your contribution on the
> status of CS is a substantive input we must try to get
> it in other languages...
> Let's try to get a translation thanks to the two
> friends volonteers.
> All the best
> Djilali
> Merci Diana pour vos commentaires que j'accepte et
> supporte.
> Depuis le sommet de Genève en 2003 j'essaie de faire
> de mon mieux pour soulever en différents endroits et à
> différents niveau ce problème essentiel pour que
> l'afrique puisse communiquer et se comprendre, les
> choses semblent progresser.
> Votre contribution sur le statut de la société civile
> me semble un texte important qu'il faut traduire dans
> les langues en usage sur le continent... essayons de
> faire travailler notre équipe des deux traducteurs
> volontaires cela permettra d'engagger le processus.
> Amitiés
> Djilali
> --- Diana Mercorios wrote:
> > Dear Djilali,
> > Thank you for your comment. I KNOW that the issue of
> > language - the Franco/Anglophone divide is one of
> > the greatest handicaps that we face. It has been and
> > will continue to be a big handicap that will hinder
> > our ability to communicate - to share ideas and a
> > vision - even a CS. But I have to also say that
> > Africa has allowed it to become a bigger problem
> > than it needs to be - ask yourself how our people
> > have managed to trade with each other acorss miles
> > and regions without the drama we the 'intelligensia'
> > are displaying. Let us think smart and look for
> > solutions within.
> > Having said that let me apologise for a no French
> > version of this the firewall on this work computer
> > doesn't even allow access to altavista.com!!! Go
> > figure!!!
> > In making this general point I take onboard what
> > Nnenna said in her message about us having two
> > translators....
> > 
> > Diana
> > djilali benamrane wrote:
> > Dear Diana, i like and support the last phrase of
> > your
> > contribution defining the possible and optimistical
> > African CS status.
> > If you can have a french or any other translation in
> > African spoken languages it should be helpfull and
> > so
> > we can continue the discussion ! If not i am afraind
> > that africa will have many approachs = no strong
> > position...
> > The North and rich CS including Francophone CS have
> > no
> > interest in resolving this problem... we have as
> > poor
> > African CS in the South to solve it... let's be
> > cleaver !
> > All the best
> > Djilali
> > C'est encourageant que Diana termine son importante
> > contribution à la définition d'un statut possible et
> > optimiste de la société civile africaine par une
> > phrase regrettant que son texte ne soit pas suivi
> > d'une traduction en français!
> > Je lui réponds qu'il faut que nous ssociété civile
> > pauvre africaine du sud redoublions de génie et
> > d'intelligence pour solutionner ce problème dont se
> > foutent riyalement la société civile du Nord, la
> > francophonie et le reste du monde riche et ou
> > développé.
> > Mais c'est déjà bien que Diana ait soulevé le
> > problème
> > Amitiés
> > Djilali 
> > 
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> > Diana Mercorios 
> > ABANTU International
> > dmercorios at yahoo.com/diana at abantu.org
> > Tel: +44 2074018977 Fax: +44 2076021431
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