[WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [CS Bureau] Overpasses

[Robert Guerra]

je suis d'accord avec joseph

On Wed, 2005-10-26 at 07:44 +0000, jsarr at refer.sn wrote:
> Bonjour à tous,
> 
> Je maintiens ma demande de "deux overpasses" pour la famille des villes et
> autorités locales. La raison est que cette famille organise un sommet mondial à
> Bilbao, du 9 au 11 novembre, et va envoyer une délégation très importante à
> Tunis pour faire la restitution.
> Bonne réception et salutations cordiales.
> 
> Joseph SARR
> Point focal de la famille des Villes et Autorités locales
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> Selon Robert Guerra <rguerra at lists.privaterra.org>:
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> > On 25-Oct-05, at 4:42 AM, Mohamed Tijani BEN JEMAA wrote:
> >
> > > Bonjour,
> > >
> > > Voici mes commentaires sur la politique de distribution des «
> > > Overpasses » :
> > >
> > > -    Pour le panel de haut niveau, d’accord pour ajouter 1 laisser-
> > > passer
> > > pour  le caucus Africain et un autre pour le caucus de la
> > > gouvernance Internet.
> > >
> > > -    Pour les Plénières, j’ai un ensemble de remarques :
> > > o    Le groupe de travail « Environnement et TIC » a demandé 1 seul
> > > Passe.
> > > Pourquoi lui en attribuer 5 (500%), surtout que sa présence n’a pas
> > > été
> > > très senti lors du processus du sommet.
> >
> > it is a caucus. has an active webpage.
> >
> > check with thomas (cc'ing him)
> >
> > > o    La région LAC n’a pas été représentée lors du processus de la
> > > 2ème
> > > phase du SMSI. Magaly représente le caucus Genre, et non pas La région
> > > LAC. Qui a demandé les 10 passes au nom de LAC ? Et pourquoi vous leur
> > > attribuez le double ?
> >
> > DO NOT AGREE
> >
> > - they couldn't get funding from the ITU @ phase II, that's why.
> > blame the ITU, but don't  underestimate their involvement in the
> > information society and involvement @ WSIS.
> > - as for reasons they want 2 - Roberto Bissio will be speaking,
> > that's probably why.
> >
> > It would be best if your comments where in english, as it's hard for
> > people in spanish to understand comments in frnech . that being said,
> > i will hope philipe and alejandra can translate your comments so that
> > Magaly, Olinca and others can reply.
> >
> >
> > > o    La famille « Philanthropic Institutions » n’existe presque plus.
> > > Wolfgang est au caucus de la gouvernance de l’Internet. Il n’a pas
> > > demandé beaucoup, mais je me demande a qui il va les distribuer.
> > >
> >
> > DO NOT AGREE
> > you are questioning one caucus after an another. it is too late in
> > the process to state eliminate them. please post these very serious
> > questions to the plenary. thank you.
> >
> >
> >
> > > o    La dame Russe qui se dit représenter la famille «
> > > Multistakeholder
> > > Partenarships » ne s’est manifestée que les derniers jours de
> > > PrepCom3.
> > > Je ne pense pas que l’attribution de passes pour cette famille
> > > serait une
> > > bonne chose.
> >
> > DO NOT AGREE
> >
> > She was involved in phase I in several of the video conferences that
> > I organized at PC 2, PC3 & the summit.
> >
> > again, no funding to come - so we don't see here. does not mean was
> > not active in - THE INFORMATION SOCIETY.
> >
> >
> >
> > > o    Pour le caucus des jeunes, je pense qu’il serait juste de leur
> > > ajouter
> > > quelques Passes car ils seront très nombreux à Tunis (Il y a un
> > > congrès
> > > mondial des jeunes qui se tiendra sous forme d’événement parallèle
> > > durant
> > > la période du Sommet).
> > >
> > DO NOT SPEAK FOR YOUTH WITHOUT CONSULTING THEM -
> >
> > let's get their comments. you do not speak for the,
> >
> > > o    Et enfin, le caucus Africain mérite plus de passes eu égard au
> > > nombre
> > > de ses membres.
> > >
> > DO NOT AGREE
> >
> > if we follow your logic we should give the passes to the region that
> > has had most representation - that would be Europe and north america
> > region + all the caucuses they are a part of.  they have been there
> > in the most number and been the most active - thus, should they get
> > the most? that would not be fair - the other regions should have
> > passes to.
> >
> >
> > At this point, i beg to ask the question - why are you speaking for
> > caucuses other than your own? Don't please - if you do, you will open
> > a pandora's box that does not need to be opened at this state. If you
> > insist on getting comments, then we should open the comments to all
> > concern - not just the CSB. Consequently, i am cc'ing plenary.
> >
> >
> >
> > > -    D’accord pour les 36 passes restant
> > >
> > > -    Pour le mécanisme de distribution des passes, je vous enverrai
> > > la liste
> > > des membres de ma famille qui ont demandé un laisser-passer pour la
> > > plénière. Vous remarquerez que leur nombre est supérieur au nombre de
> > > passes attribués. La distribution se fera sur la base du « premier
> > > venu,
> > > premier servi ». Bien entendu, ceux du bas de la liste pourront
> > > avoir des
> > > passes en fonction des désistements, et en alternant l’usage des
> > > laisser-passer chaque fois que cela est possible (puisque les
> > > passes ne
> > > sont pas nominatifs).
> > >
> > Your family is what again? how active was it in the - process of
> > negotiation at WSIS phase II. To be honest, i don't think I have meet
> > anyone in your family other than yourself. where are they
> > from...AH...let me guess, Tunisia... SIGH!!
> >
> > you are asking we Tunisia YET another allotment of overpasses - that
> > makes 100+36. my comment - I DO NOT THINK SO
> >
> >
> > Begs the question - I am very, very, very, disappointed that you did
> > not care to comment on my comments nor address the very serious flaws
> > I pointed out in the earlier draft Phillipe circulated . What don't
> > need is a long discussion - what we need to do is move to ACTION, to
> > actually get things done. This is what I have proposed with the
> > online system. Can you comment on that please.
> >
> >
> > The address is -
> > https://secure.privaterra.org/wsis/
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> >
> > As Sean and others have commented - I was the only, the ONLY one who
> > cared enough from the CSB to be involved in the overpass distrubution
> > issue at phase 1. There were many lessons learned  . I have shared
> > many of my comments on this issue because of that. Strangely enough,
> > many of the proposals being put forward will lead, in my opinion, to
> > a very flawed process . One that will be so complex that at the end,
> > it will simply not work.
> >
> > Given the concerns expressed by a large # of individuals in (real)
> > CS, as well as by governments with the host country make it VERY
> > problematic to  over-allocation of such a scare resource to the host
> > country. Your comments and those of Marzouk and Moncef (seen as no
> > friend of CS ) do not help either.
> >
> > in summary -
> >
> > - We currently have a flawed process that will not work. trust me.
> > - Worse yet, we have a process that - should it be approved by the
> > CSB (and over  my dead body will it be), will open a pandora's box of
> > criticism from fellow CS and govts.
> >
> > - with only 3 weeks  to go i find it upsetting that the overpass
> > issue has not been dealt with. The policy should be simple,
> > transparent and adhere to the principles of inclusion of all CS. We
> > should not, we must not - ignore those constituencies that have not
> > been able to attend the phase II physical meetings.
> >
> > - Worse yet, at this moment, I feel my experience and understanding
> > of the issue is being ignored.
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> > - I am not happy.
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