[WSIS CS-Plenary] SV: [Pwd] (unicode) [WSIS-CT] RE: [Ct-drafting] Please clarify

Kicki Nordström kino at iris.se
Tue Dec 9 10:34:49 GMT 2003


Dear Tina,

IDA members support your stand

Yours 
Kicki


Kicki Nordström
President 
World Blind Union 
c/o SRF iris AB
S-122 88
Sweden
Tel. +46-8-399 000
Cell. +46-70 766 18 19
Fax. +46-8-725 99 20



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Från: tminkowitz at earthlink.net [mailto:tminkowitz at earthlink.net]
Skickat: den 9 december 2003 00:33
Till: Elizabeth Carll, PhD; Monthian Buntan; aneufel1 at telus.net; Hiroshi
Kawamura
Kopia: pwd at wsis-cs.org; Rik Panganiban; wsis-cs-plenary; ct at wsis-cs.org
Ämne: RE: [Pwd] (unicode) [WSIS-CT] RE: [Ct-drafting] Please clarify


Hello all,

I have been reading these past few emails and want to comment that in the
World Network of Users and Survivors of Psychiatry we prefer to not single
out mental disability or mental health issues.  It is crucial, because when
we are singled out we face restriction of our rights.    

Best wishes,

Tina Minkowitz

-----Original Message-----
From: "Elizabeth Carll, PhD" <ecarll at optonline.net>
Sent: Dec 7, 2003 10:11 AM
To: Monthian Buntan <mbuntan at tab.or.th>, aneufel1 at telus.net, 
	Hiroshi Kawamura <hkawa at attglobal.net>
Cc: pwd at wsis-cs.org, Rik Panganiban <rikp at bluewin.ch>, 
	wsis-cs-plenary <plenary at wsis-cs.org>, ct at wsis-cs.org
Subject: RE: [Pwd] (unicode) [WSIS-CT] RE: [Ct-drafting] Please clarify

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<DIV><SPAN class=765230115-07122003><STRONG>Dear All,</STRONG></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=765230115-07122003><STRONG></STRONG></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=765230115-07122003><STRONG>I appreciate the comments below
and 
agree with Thian as to the term "persons with all types of disabilities" or 
persons with disabilities,  as long as the the health section and 
conclusion includes access to information specifically for both physical and

mental health.  I will review and comment.</STRONG></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=765230115-07122003><STRONG></STRONG></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=765230115-07122003><STRONG>Best 
regards,</STRONG> </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=765230115-07122003></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=765230115-07122003>
<DIV><SPAN class=156381802-07122003><SPAN 
class=781295202-07122003><STRONG>Elizabeth</STRONG></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=156381802-07122003><STRONG></STRONG></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=156381802-07122003>
<DIV><SPAN class=218363215-06122003>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN 
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US"><SPAN class=906011013-06122003><STRONG>Dr. 
Elizabeth Carll</STRONG></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN 
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class=906011013-06122003><STRONG>Focal 
Point</STRONG></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN 
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US"><SPAN 
class=906011013-06122003><STRONG>International Society for Traumatic Stress 
Studies</STRONG></P></SPAN></SPAN>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN 
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US"><SPAN class=906011013-06122003><STRONG>Tel:

631-754-2424</STRONG></SPAN></SPAN></P>
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style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US"><SPAN class=906011013-06122003><SPAN 
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US"><SPAN class=906011013-06122003><STRONG>Fax:

631-754-5032</STRONG></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></P>
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style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US"><SPAN class=906011013-06122003><SPAN 
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class=906011013-06122003><STRONG>ecarll at optonline.net</STRONG></SPAN></SPAN>
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  <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma 
  size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> pwd-admin at wsis-cs.org 
  [mailto:pwd-admin at wsis-cs.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Monthian 
  Buntan<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, December 07, 2003 6:47 AM<BR><B>To:</B> 
  aneufel1 at telus.net; Hiroshi Kawamura<BR><B>Cc:</B> 
  pwd at wsis-cs.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Pwd] (unicode) [WSIS-CT] RE: 
  [Ct-drafting] Please clarify<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT size=3>Dear 
  all:<BR><BR>When I suggest section 3.1.9, my main intention is address the

  matter of fundamental rights.  Therefore, I don't see any point in trying 
  to list all categories of disabilities.  However, when some of us voice 
  their concerns whether mental disability, which I believe, is also subject
to 
  be differently interpreted, I suggest the term "persons with all types of 
  disabilties."  Then there was a counterproposal to say "persons with 
  disabilities" including mental, physical and others.  My conclusion is 
  that we should not provoke any debate on these terms here.  My concern is 
  that we're at risk of confusing the whole civil society if we try to come
up 
  with words like these.  I myself, and many in the blindness and deafness 
  communities, will be unhappy if the term "physical" is being used without 
  referring to visual and hearing.  And I'm not sure if LD or autistic 
  people are happy or not to be included under the term "mental 
  disability."  <BR><BR>After all, I believe the term "persons with all 
  types of disabilities", though a bit wordy, is the most inclusive and most

  compromising.<BR><BR>Best regards,<BR><BR>Thian<BR><BR>At 05:12 PM
12/7/2003, 
  aneufel1 at telus.net wrote:<BR>
  <BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite="" type="cite">Hello Hiroshi<BR>I am a little 
    confused. Does the following suggest that previous
agreements<BR>providing 
    assurance for accessibility by people with all types of
impairment<BR>(ie. 
    mental and physical) is at risk?  <BR><BR>Monthian's subsequent e-mail 
    suggests to me that it may be, though my reading of<BR>the material
below is 
    that it speaks primarily to the way in which health<BR>information may
be 
    provided - and the added point that people with mental<BR>impairments of

    various kinds not be excluded. Please clarify.<BR><BR>In terms of
wording, 
    it seems to me we are much better off talking about
'health<BR>information' 
    than the phrase 'health care information'.  The latter could 
    be<BR>limited to 'care' provisions and issues.  I would think we should 
    promote open<BR>access to all kinds of information, including research
on 
    health.<BR><BR>Aldred Neufeldt<BR>Chair, GLADNET<BR><BR>Quoting Hiroshi 
    Kawamura <hkawa at attglobal.net>:<BR><BR>> The following text is 
    copied from WSIS-CT mailing list with permission of<BR>> original
author. 
    --- Hiroshi<BR>> <BR>> 
    ----------------------------------------------------<BR>> <BR>> The 
    paragraph posted by Sally Burch, below is the latest and most 
    accurate<BR>> version of the MENTAL AND PHYSICAL HEALTH CARE section for

    inclusion in the<BR>> "PRINCIPLES, GOALS AND CHALLENGES section ( or 
    possibly in Social Justice<BR>> section), which I had submitted.<BR>> 
    <BR>> The section should be titled;    MENTAL AND PHYSICAL 
    HEALTH CARE<BR>> <BR>> The delivery of life-critical mental and 
    physical health information can be<BR>> facilitated and improved through

    ICT-based solutions. Lack of access to<BR>> information and
communication 
    has been identified as a critical factor in<BR>> the public mental and 
    physical health crises around the world. Experts have<BR>> suggested
that 
    providing citizens of underdeveloped countries with<BR>> 
    community<BR>> level points of access to mental and physical health 
    information would be a<BR>> critical starting point for addressing the 
    mental and physical health care<BR>> crises. However, such access points

    should support more than one-way flows<BR>> of information (for example,

    from expert to community or patient).<BR>> Communities must be allowed
to 
    participate in the selection and creation of<BR>> communication flows 
    that they find useful and necessary to address the<BR>> prevention, 
    treatment, and promotion of mental and physical health care for<BR>> all

    people.<BR>> <BR>> In addition, please note the following revisions in 
    brackets, which were<BR>> previously recommended but in latest draft
have 
    been omitted.  Please<BR>> re-insert.  Most of these refer to 
    specifying mental and physical health,<BR>> as<BR>> opposed to only 
    physical, and should be included for consistency and<BR>> 
    clarity.<BR>> <BR>> 3.2.4 Access to Information and the Means of 
    Communication, paragraph 3<BR>> <BR>> Specific needs and requirements 
    of all stakeholders, including those with<BR>> [mental and physical] 
    disabilities, must be....<BR>> <BR>> 3.2.5 Basic literacy, par 1 last 
    sentence<BR>> <BR>> People-centered information technologies can 
    foster eradication of [mental<BR>> and physical] illnesses and
epidemics, 
    can help give everyone food,<BR>> shelter,<BR>> freedom and 
    peace.<BR>> <BR>> 3.2.5 Basic literacy, par 3 last sentence<BR>> 
    <BR>> must include a focus on the needs of people who have [mental and] 
    physical<BR>> impairments and all means of transcending those
impairments 
    ...<BR>> <BR>> 3.3.8 Human development âEUR" education and training, par

    2<BR>> <BR>>   Literacy, education, and research efforts in 
    the Information Society must<BR>> include a focus on the needs of people

    who have [mental and] physical<BR>> impairments and all means of 
    transcending those impairments....<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> In par 
    4 -<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ...special needs: those of young and 
    elderly people, of women, of people<BR>> with [mental and physical] 
    impairments, of indigenous peoples, of migrant<BR>> communities, of 
    refugees and returnees in post-conflict situations, in a<BR>> life-long 
    perspective...<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> 3.3.9 
    Information generation and knowledge development - research, par 1,<BR>>

    sentence 3<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Clear principles should be 
    developed for the use and exploitation of the<BR>> body of knowledge 
    produced [e.g. Scientific research data should be gender<BR>> and age 
    disaggregated for mental and physical health.]<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> 
    <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> 4. Conclusion, par 2, last sentence<BR>> 
    <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ....the right to a standard of living adequate 
    for the [mental and<BR>> physical]<BR>> health and well-being of the 
    individual and his or her family, including<BR>> food housing and
(delete 
    medical)  [mental and physical health]care.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> 
    <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> 3.1.9 Rights of Persons with Disabilities: 
    recommended by Monthian Buntan<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> I also 
    support the inclusion of the section below recommended by Monthian<BR>> 
    Buntan, however, I would recommend the following revisions to be 
    consistent<BR>> with the rest of the document.  While it is helpful 
    to specify types and<BR>> degree of disabilities, these can be seen as 
    referring to physical only as<BR>> often mental and physical health care

    have been disconnected in many<BR>> countries.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> 
    <BR>> 3.1.9 Rights of Persons with [Mental and Physical] 
    Disabilities:<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> In the inclusive information 
    society, the rights of persons with [mental<BR>> and<BR>> physical] 
    disabilities to have full and absolute equal access to<BR>> 
    information<BR>> and communications including ICTs, regardless of types 
    and degree of<BR>> disabilities, must be ensured by laws and policies at

    all levels.  In order<BR>> to achieve such goal, Universal Design 
    principle and the use of assistive<BR>> technologies must be seriously 
    promoted and supported throughout the whole<BR>> process of building and

    nurturing the information society in which PWDs and<BR>> their 
    organizations must be allowed to participate fully and on equal 
    terms<BR>> with non-disabled people.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> 
    <BR>> <BR>> Thank you for all your work on this.  Look forward to 
    meeting everyone in<BR>> Geneva as hoping to arrive Monday morning, 
    however, there is a huge<BR>> blizzard<BR>> and snowing now in New 
    York and flights are delayed.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> 
    Elizabeth<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Dr. Elizabeth Carll<BR>> 
    <BR>> Focal Point<BR>> <BR>> International Society for Traumatic 
    Stress Studies<BR>> <BR>> Tel: 631-754-2424<BR>> <BR>> Fax: 
    631-754-5032<BR>> <BR>> ecarll at optonline.net<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> 
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