[WSIS CS-Plenary] [WSIS-CT] Spanish translation UPDATE

Fri Jul 2 18:24:48 BST 2004

We at eCommons/agora and our sister entity byDesign eLab know that many 
many people in the civil society space neither like nor use the web. They 
prefer email.
It seems to me best practice to:
1. always use a clear subject heading and brief summary of who what where 
when why at top of any message.
2. always include documents of reasonable length in the body of the message 
( a judgement call), and at the top of message provide a link to a web site 
where document lives, if one is available. Attachments should be avoided. 
Some of us do not open them.
3. also do as Robert suggests below, where practical
4. make better use of the many resources around if you do not have web 
space of your own.

Robert points to his sites below.
Some of us are signed up to the wsis-online site but you cannot post 
without an intermediary.
At wsis.ecommons.ca or smsi.agora-electronique.ca you can post your own 
documents, and then reference them for others by pointing to a url. Some 
list members are signed in there, and we welcome more. It is so easy to use.

We have volunteers who keep things updated or help out.
We also have on there (thanks to the open source platform drupal, which we 
are experimenting with) an email notification system, so if someone replies 
to you or posts to an area you are interested in, you can get email 
notification and do not need to keep checking on the web site.
We have rss enabled, which is a syndication system, however it seems that 
others do not have this yet, so it is hard to make the Canadian-based civil 
society site of sites we are aiming for, where we could feature updates 
from wsis-online for instance, or for robert's or andy carvin's sites.

This approach would meet the needs of both constituencies, those who prefer 
the web and those who prefer email.
The issue of open or proprietary platforms seems to me secondary here.

Liss J

PS Good timing on this topic as we shall be working on the updates on our 
project next week.

avec l'aide de babel-fish:

Nous à eCommons/agora et à notre eLab byDesign savons que beaucoup de gens 
dans la société civile espace ni aiment ni employons le web. Ils et elles 
préfèrent le couriel. Ce semble à moi la meilleure pratique :
1. employez toujours un declaration clair dans the sujet et donnez un bref 
sommaire de qui ce qui où quand pourquoi au sommet de tout message.
2. incluez toujours les documents de la longueur raisonnable dans le corps 
du message (un appel de jugement), et au dessus du message fournissez un 
lien à un site Web où le document vit, si on est disponible. Des 
attachements devraient être évités. Certains d'entre nous ne les ouvrent pas.
3. faites également comme Robert suggère ci-dessous, où meilleure 
utilisation pratique de
4. marques des nombreuses ressources autour si vous n'avez pas l'espace de 
web de vos propres.

Points de Robert à ses emplacements ci-dessous.
Certains d'entre nous sont enregistrés à l'emplacement wsis-en ligne mais 
vous ne pouvez pas signaler sans intermédiaire.
À wsis.ecommons.ca ou à smsi.agora-electronique.ca vous pouvez signaler vos 
propres documents, et puis les mettez en référence pour d'autres par le 
pointage à un URL.
Quelques membres de cette liste sont connectés là, et nous faisons bon 
accueil à plus. Il est si facile d'employer.
Nous avons des volontaires qui maintiennent des choses mises à jour ou 
aidons dehors. Nous avons également sur là (grâce à la plateforme ouverte 
de source drupal, avec laquelle nous expérimentons) un système d'avis de 
courriel, ainsi si quelqu'un répond vous ou aux poteaux à un secteur que 
vous vous intéressez, et vous pouvez obtenir l'avis de courriel et n'avez 
pas besoin de continuer à vérifier le site Web.

Nous faisons permettre des rss, qui est un système de syndication, 
toutefois il semble que d'autres n'ont pas ceci encore, ainsi il est 
difficile de faire l'etoile pour la société civile que nous envisons, où 
nous pourrions comporter des mises à jour d'wsis-en ligne par exemple, ou 
pour le site de robert ou de andy carvin.
Cette approche satisferait les besoins des deux communautés, ceux qui 
préfèrent le Net et ceux qui préfèrent le courriel. La question des 
plateformes ouvertes ou de propriété semble à moi secondaire ici.

Liss J
Bonne synchronisation sur cette matière car nous travaillerons sur les 
mises à jour et notre projet la semaine prochaine.
LJ

At 11:44 AM 02/07/2004, Robert Guerra wrote:
>At 12:28 PM -0300 7/2/04, Beatriz Busaniche wrote:
>>
>>Bus could we please! avoid .doc documents in this mailing list?
>>Pero podríamos por favor evitar los documentos .doc en esta lista de
>>correos?
>
>I don't want to get into a discussion about the pro's and con's of one 
>particular document format or another. So instead, let me come up with two 
>suggested policies  for the list in regards to documents:
>
>regards,
>
>Robert
>
>
>**** Suggested List policies ****
>
>
>(1) To reduce bandwidth - Policy on how to share/send files ...
>
>Wherever possible, documents should not be attached - but instead placed 
>on a site where people can fetch them.
>
>If there's no central repository where CS has a copy of it's documents - 
>then we should have one...
>
>I'm more than happy to offer space on the existing WSIS related wiki and 
>file directory that i have to be used by anyone here. URL is  - 
>http://cms.privaterra.org/tiki-list_file_gallery.php?galleryId=7
>
>(2) To recognize we all use different OS platforms - Policy on file 
>formats .....
>
>let's not enter into a debate as to which one is best, worse or anything 
>of the kind..(personally, i'd rather have that debate take place 
>elsewhere, as it's not the exclusive issue affecting us right now) 
>instead, let's save and share our documents in as platform and 
>application  independent format as possible.
>
>Thus, if you can save documents in RTF, HTML  or PDF format - then, please do.
>
>If i'm not mistaken, most - if not all - word processing programs have the 
>option to save in RTF, HTML and/or PDF.
>
>(personal note - i like PDF as it allows one to see documents written in 
>non-european character sets much better, without the need of loading tons 
>of extra fonts..)
>
>
>As I may have referred to at the beginning - let's understand the fact 
>that those of us on this list are using a variety of different platforms, 
>operating systems and programs to communicate. Let's respect the 
>individual choice we've all made and be as accommodating as possible.
>
>Let's respect that choice and move on to what's technically required to 
>make everyone happy. If RTF documents can help - then, let's suggest 
>(where possible) people use it.
>
>
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