[WSIS CS-Plenary] spam or universal access ?

Wed Mar 10 23:03:28 GMT 2004

2 cents from me - I have to admit when I see the pleas from Africa e.g. Niger which our colleague on the  CS plenary list  never fails to enlighten us about; I wonder as to what our CS priorities for humanity really are especially at a conference such as this ? Is it spam ( a junk mail annoyance for the Western world ) or universal access ?

I do think the C&T team of phase 1 should re-mobilize and start on an action plan for phase 2 themes that CS wants to promote asap - starting with a virtual on-line / real time meeting would be great!

Amali De Silva - Mitchell

cc: Plenary 

wolfgang at imv.au.dk wrote:
Hi Betrand,

do yopu propose an "Intergovernmental Spam Convention" or a "Spam MoU"?

best

wolfgang

-- Original Nachricht--
Von: Bertrand de LA CHAPELLE 
An: Adam Peake 
Senden: 08:01 PM
Betreff: Re: [governance] comment on spam

Hi,

Could be a case where a new type of international instrument 
is needed, similar to what Directives are in the European 
Union :

a formal agreement on objectives, measures/methods to adopt 
by the respective stakeholders, the responsibility to do it 
resting on each individual (sovereign ?) entity, with a 
follow-up mechanism to verify later on that the Directive has 
been "transposed in the internal legal order".

It seems anyway that spam is rising to the level of 
recognized global nuisance, and could be a very good test 
case for defining new methods to address such issues.

2cents, etc...

Bertrand

---- Original message ----
>Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 20:55:47 +0900
>From: Adam Peake 

>Subject: [governance] comment on spam 
>To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
>
>We've discussed a little about address spam globally 
(whether is can 
>be addressed globally, or whether anyone should even try.) 
I just 
>sent a note to Dave Farber's list about spam in Japan. We 
don't 
>really have any domestic generated spam. A lot of spam from 
overseas, 
>little generated in Japan. Spam on the wired Internet that 
is, we do 
>suffer still from spam on mobiles.
>
>I think there's a lot of opportunity for sharing of best 
practices, 
>but action seems to be best taken locally. Global 
coordination and 
>cooperation, but not multilateral hard action.
>
>2 cents, etc.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Adam
>
>
>-- 
>
>(Sent to Farber, no idea if he will choose to forward to his 
list.)
>
>At 8:39 PM +0900 3/10/04, Adam Peake wrote:
>
>Dave,
>
>I almost never see Japanese spam.
>
>In 2002, Japan enacted two laws: quite strict, and quite 
successful
>
>As far as I can see, the basic regulations are:
>
>-messages must state they are an advertisement and sent 
without consent.
>-must have a real opt-out option.
>-randomly generated email addresses are banned (APeake@, 
BPeake@, 
>CPeake@, etc., and random numbers for mobile addresses.)
>-be sent from a valid address, with a valid subject line.
>-carriers/ISPs are able to bar spammers.
>-carriers/ISPs can filter spam without consent (this stems 
from a 
>time when there was masses of mobile spam, 80% or more of 
all data 
>traffic, and carriers needs to get it off their networks.)
>
>Penalties: up to 2 years jail, fines up to 3 billion yen 
>(300,000,000 yen, about $2.5 million at the time.)
>At the same time, pyramid buying laws were expanded to 
address some 
>types of spam.
>
>I think Scott MacQuarrie's last comment is wrong: we do need 
to care 
>about our ISP's problems, they bill us!
>
>Thanks,
>
>Adam
>
>Adam Peake
>GLOCOM Tokyo
>
>
>
>As I said often on IP, I have neither the time or desire to 
use systems
>like this and ignore all such requests djf
>
>Delivered-To: dfarber+ at ux13.sp.cs.cmu.edu
>Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 16:45:06 -0800
>From: Dennis Paull 
>Subject: Re: [IP] SPAM Countermeasures Risks Digest 23.25
>X-Sender: dpaull at pop.svpal.org
>To: dave at farber.net
>Cc: Scott MacQuarrie 
>
>Hi Dave,
>
>For IP if you choose.
>
>I read through the Digiportal web site and I do not see how 
it could be
>used with lists such as IP? If Scott thinks that email list 
owners are
>going to respond to special messages from every new 
subscriber, he must
>be crazy.
>
>There may be other such situations that are less apparent 
where the
>scheme being used is inappropriate. Besides that, it looks 
great.
>
>Dennis Paull
>Half Moon Bay, CA
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>At 05:00 PM 3/6/2004 -0700, you wrote:
> >
> >Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 23:52:55 -0500
> >From: Scott MacQuarrie 
> >Subject: SPAM Countermeasures
> >
> >I am surprised at some of the ideas put forward to 
prevent spam and feel
> >many of them, such as charging for e-mail, are worse than 
the problem
> >itself. Ultimately, this is matter of using definitions 
to focus on the
> >actual problem, rather than trying to apply massive 
architectural changes to
> >"carpet-bomb" the problem.
> >
> >By definition, spam is simply e-mail from unidentified 
sender(s). The
> >solution is to require senders to identify themselves, 
either by e-mail
> >address or domain before accepting their e-mail. There is 
no need to filter
> >e-mail from people you know or domains you trust. It's 
strangers you need to
> >watch.
> >
> >Anti-spam lists, such as the Blackhole list and others 
are following this
> >strategy, but offering to act as an intermediary. The 
better, and simpler,
> >solution is at the individual layer, using tools such as 
choicemail from
> >Digiportal. (Note: I am simply a satisfied customer and, 
in no way represent
> >the company). This tool filters e-mail, based on if I 
allowed them or their
> >domain to e-mail me. If you are not know, you are sent an 
e-mail asking who
> >you are. The response (via digiportal's website - a 
trusted URL) is sent to
> >me and I can decide if I want to receive it. If you never 
respond, your
> >e-mail is quietly deleted. For mailing lists, such as 
this one, I can
> >authorize the domain or the individual e-mail address in 
advance. During
> >the installation, It also happily reads my address file 
and adds anyone
> >found there to the authorized list (since I obviously 
know them).
> >
> >After using this tool for almost a year, I have enjoyed a 
spam-free
> >existence. This has also not required a significant 
architectural change or
> >additional billing models to implement. This is simply 
the implementation of
> >the same process used if you ring my doorbell. If I don't 
know you, I may
> >not answer it.
> >
> >Of course, I still have the bandwidth of the e-mail being 
sent, but this is
> >my ISP's problem, not mine.
> >
> >Scott MacQuarrie, ZWCX Computer Corp.
> >
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