[WSIS CS-Plenary] Language issues on the Plenary list...

[djilali benamrane]

Thanks Robert.
I fully support your analysis, let's try to find
solutions if we want a relevant civile society, well
informed and well represented....
Thanks for your understanding and sorry for my "grosse
guelle"
Best regards
--- Robert Guerra <rguerra at lists.privaterra.org>
wrote:
> let's remember that for this summit the official
> languages are ALL of 
> the following:
> 
> english, spanish, arabic, chinese, russian and yes
> ..french as well.
> 
> The call to move from "words" to specific actions -
> has been stated 
> many times on this forum before.
> 
> I commend the actions of the ICV, CONGO, CRIS
> campaign, APC, Panos 
> and other groups that have taken the task on to find
> resources and 
> funding to help facilitate, organize and help with
> logistics. 
> Complaining is easy, finding support - of any kind -
> is quite 
> difficult and a challenge....but one must try.
> 
> The issue of translation, better said the lack of it
>  - is well 
> known, and recognized . There have long been calls
> to do "something" 
> so that  two of the major official UN languages -
> spanish, and french 
> - be accommodated.
> 
> Ronald in his earlier message seems to indicate that
> the "call to do 
> something" has been heard, not one, twice, but way
> too many times. In 
> that I agree. That being said - what to do... How
> can we move from 
> "defining the lack of a language translation
> resource" to 
> "implementing a solution" ...be it a short term or
> long term one...?
> 
> The solution - a potential one - might closer than
> most people 
> think...Just think about it - do we really think
> that this is the 
> first time "Translation of mailing list traffic from
> one language to 
> another" has been raised? I don't think so...
> 
> Has anyone bothered to do a bit of research on this
> ? why do i say 
> this..well, if they had they would have come up with
> contacts, 
> projects and potential resources that COULD be of
> help in this 
> particular situation.
> 
> For example - just going a google search on
> "translation mailing 
> lists" reveals that this issue has been raised on
> the "Mistica" 
> mailing list for months..
> 
> MISTICA: Re: Auto-translation techniques
>
http://funredes.org/mistica/castellano/emec/produccion/memoria12/0130.html
>
http://funredes.org/mistica/castellano/emec/produccion/memoria12/0117.html
> 
> Mistica seems to have developed a system - already
> in place - that 
> translates automatically between english, spanish
> and yes French. 
> I've taken the liberty of cc'ing Daniel Pimineta
> from Mistica to get 
> his comments to know if  their "solution" might be
> of assistance to 
> this list. If it might be -  then it would indicate
> that the ICT 
> tools we so much talk about can in fact be used to
> assist communities 
> from that are linguistic divided (at least to a
> certain extent) be 
> allowed to communicate.
> 
> 
> regards
> 
> Robert
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> At 9:57 AM -0400 4/3/05, Ronald Koven wrote:
> >Dear All --
> >
> >I think this message to Djilali is extraordinarily
> sweet and kind.
> >
> >He does not hesitate to beat up on anyone and
> everyone who dares express
> >him/herself in the world's main vehicular language,
> and in rather insulting
> >terms at that.
> >
> >One might note that his complaint is only about
> people not speaking his own
> >language, French -- never in defense of Spanish
> Portuguese, Arabic,
> >Chinese, Russian, etc.
> >
> >Djilali, vous devez cesser de pleurnicher. C'est
> tjrs la meme rengaine. On
> >a compris que vous n'etes peut etre pas doué pour
> les langues. Ça devient
> >du spam (pour parler franglais) a la longue. Parlez
> nous plutot de choses
> >qui avancent les problematiques de fond auxquelles
> nous sommes confrontées.
> >
> >Yours in exasperation over having my mailbox
> constantly cluttered with the
> >same complaint from the same source,
> >
> >Rony Koven
> >
> >
> >
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> 
> -- 
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> Robert Guerra <rguerra at privaterra.org>
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Djilali Benamrane : dbenamrane at yahoo.com
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