[wsis-finance] Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [Africa-CS-WSIS]Re: Who and what is Civil Society

Fri Mar 25 21:28:55 GMT 2005

--- Jean-Louis FULLSACK <jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr> wrote:

> Dear Djilali and Diana
> I cannot support Dana's opinion about "Who qualifies
> as civil society". If I read correctly her wording,
> business actors might qualify as CS ! This is
> perhaps very original but I wonder if our friends
> from the "real" CS will approve it. As for me it is
> definitely NO.
> BTW, Diana's statement is in contradiction with her
> previous alinea where she specifies that "anyone who
> belongs to a society is a member of CS (???)  IF
> THEY STEP OUT of their professional disguise". Where
> is the logic and which terms really apply ?
> Thanks for your answer
> and best regards
> Jean-louis Fullsack
> CSDPTT
> 
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> > Message du 25/03/05 10:24
> > De : "djilali benamrane" 
> > A : plenary at wsis-cs.org
> > Copie à : wsis-finance at yahoogroupes.fr
> > Objet : [wsis-finance] Re: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Re:
> [Africa-CS-WSIS]Re: Who and what is Civil Society
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks Diana for your comments i accept and
> > support.Since the Geneva Summit in 2003, i try to
> do
> > my best to rise in different places and at
> different
> > levels, this problem of translation to connect
> african
> > CS and we are progressing. Your contribution on
> the
> > status of CS is a substantive input we must try to
> get
> > it in other languages...
> > Let's try to get a translation thanks to the two
> > friends volonteers.
> > All the best
> > Djilali
> > Merci Diana pour vos commentaires que j'accepte et
> > supporte.
> > Depuis le sommet de Genève en 2003 j'essaie de
> faire
> > de mon mieux pour soulever en différents endroits
> et à
> > différents niveau ce problème essentiel pour que
> > l'afrique puisse communiquer et se comprendre, les
> > choses semblent progresser.
> > Votre contribution sur le statut de la société
> civile
> > me semble un texte important qu'il faut traduire
> dans
> > les langues en usage sur le continent... essayons
> de
> > faire travailler notre équipe des deux traducteurs
> > volontaires cela permettra d'engagger le
> processus.
> > Amitiés
> > Djilali
> > --- Diana Mercorios wrote:
> > > Dear Djilali,
> > > Thank you for your comment. I KNOW that the
> issue of
> > > language - the Franco/Anglophone divide is one
> of
> > > the greatest handicaps that we face. It has been
> and
> > > will continue to be a big handicap that will
> hinder
> > > our ability to communicate - to share ideas and
> a
> > > vision - even a CS. But I have to also say that
> > > Africa has allowed it to become a bigger problem
> > > than it needs to be - ask yourself how our
> people
> > > have managed to trade with each other acorss
> miles
> > > and regions without the drama we the
> 'intelligensia'
> > > are displaying. Let us think smart and look for
> > > solutions within.
> > > Having said that let me apologise for a no
> French
> > > version of this the firewall on this work
> computer
> > > doesn't even allow access to altavista.com!!! Go
> > > figure!!!
> > > In making this general point I take onboard what
> > > Nnenna said in her message about us having two
> > > translators....
> > > 
> > > Diana
> > > djilali benamrane wrote:
> > > Dear Diana, i like and support the last phrase
> of
> > > your
> > > contribution defining the possible and
> optimistical
> > > African CS status.
> > > If you can have a french or any other
> translation in
> > > African spoken languages it should be helpfull
> and
> > > so
> > > we can continue the discussion ! If not i am
> afraind
> > > that africa will have many approachs = no strong
> > > position...
> > > The North and rich CS including Francophone CS
> have
> > > no
> > > interest in resolving this problem... we have as
> > > poor
> > > African CS in the South to solve it... let's be
> > > cleaver !
> > > All the best
> > > Djilali
> > > C'est encourageant que Diana termine son
> importante
> > > contribution à la définition d'un statut
> possible et
> > > optimiste de la société civile africaine par une
> > > phrase regrettant que son texte ne soit pas
> suivi
> > > d'une traduction en français!
> > > Je lui réponds qu'il faut que nous ssociété
> civile
> > > pauvre africaine du sud redoublions de génie et
> > > d'intelligence pour solutionner ce problème dont
> se
> > > foutent riyalement la société civile du Nord, la
> > > francophonie et le reste du monde riche et ou
> > > développé.
> > > Mais c'est déjà bien que Diana ait soulevé le
> > > problème
> > > Amitiés
> > > Djilali 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Diana Mercorios 
> > > ABANTU International
> > > dmercorios at yahoo.com/diana at abantu.org
> > > Tel: +44 2074018977 Fax: +44 2076021431
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> > Djilali Benamrane : dbenamrane at yahoo.com
> > Tel/fax : (227) 75 35 09 BP 11207 - Niamey - Niger
> > Tél/Fax : (331) 01 45 39 77 02 Paris - France
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Djilali Benamrane : dbenamrane at yahoo.com
Tel/fax : (227) 75 35 09 BP 11207 - Niamey - Niger
Tél/Fax : (331) 01 45 39 77 02 Paris - France
Page web sur le SMSI (mecanismes de financement) : en cours de construction 
Page web sur l'Afrique et la globalisation : http://www.multimania.com/djilalibenamrane/
Groupe de discussion: http://www.egroups.com/list/afriqueglobalization

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