[WSIS CS-Plenary] Re: [startup] RE: startup post from gurstein@adm.njit.edu requires
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Prof. Alex (Sandy) Pentland
pentland at media.mit.edu
Wed Apr 19 20:07:14 BST 2006
I suggest that you confine your comments to specific people and STOP
SPAMMING THE ENTIRE LIST!!! Have you no manners at all????
Sergei, if this is going to turn into a forum for loudmouths to spam
honest people please remove me from the list.
Prof. Alex (Sandy) Pentland, MIT
Gurstein, Michael wrote:
> Mr. Kambalov,
>
> Yes, you are correct and my apologies for misreading your original
> message... Since it was sent through the "(GA) Startup" e-list I too
> hastily took it that the message was referring to the Global Allliance.
>
> However, I should say that even in such areas as "C.11 International and
> regional cooperation", that is developing "requests for international
> cooperation and assistance on infrastructure development projects",
> "public-private partnerships", and "preparation and implementation of
> national action plans" those involved would be well advised and would
> find the outcomes of their actions to be more realistic, useful and
> sustainable if those at the grassroots most directly involved in
> implementing these initiatives on the ground were to be included in
> their design.
>
> One of the clear findings from research that we are currently conducting
> in Canada on the implementation of community based technology
> initiatives http://www.cracin.ca is rhat there is frequently a deep
> mismatch between the design of these initiatives and the realities on
> the ground and how this directly interferes with the achievement of the
> goals of the investments being made and dare I say, leading quite
> directly to "skepticism, suspicion or mistrust... " on the part of those
> working in the field attempting to make these programs effective.
>
> Best,
>
> MG
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> From: sergei kambalov [mailto:kambalov at un.org]
> Sent: April 18, 2006 9:33 PM
> To: Gurstein, Michael
> Cc: gta at vancouvercommunity.net; plenary at wsis-cs.org;
> startup at unicttaskforce.org
> Subject: RE: startup post from gurstein at adm.njit.edu requires approval
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>
> Mr. Gurstein,
> I am very glad that we are on the same page on really important things.
> I am a bit confused with the last two paras of your message: you
> seem to be talking about the Global Alliance for ICT and
> Development. However, the meeting that our original message referred
> to will be on a quite different subject, namely on the
> implementation of Action Line 11 of the Geneva Plan of Action of WSIS.
> In our message we say that the objective of this first meeting will
> be to discuss how coordination among diverse stakeholders should be
> done and what it should cover. The context of this discussion is the
> outcomes of WSIS, and there is a link to relevant document in the
> message. If there is anything else that this notice should address,
> please let me know and we shall work on it.
> Regarding, on the other hand, the GLobal Alliance the inaugural
> meeting is planned for 19-20 June in Kuala Lumpur. As soon as the
> tentative programme for this meeting is done, it will be shared with
> potential participants and finalized on the basis of their comments.
> At the moment, we do not have the programme yet.
> Please let us know if we could bring more clarity.
> Best regards.
> Sergei Kambalov, Chief
> ECOSOC and Interorganizational Cooperation Branch
> Office for ECOSOC Support and Coordination/DESA
> United Nations, New York
> Tel: (212) 963-4751
> Fax: (212) 963-7454
> Email: kambalov at un.org
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> "Gurstein, Michael" <gurstein at adm.njit.edu>
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> 18/04/2006 12:57 PM
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> To
> "sergei kambalov" <kambalov at un.org>
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> Dear Mr. Kambalov,
>
> Thanks for replying to my note...
>
> And I agree with you that we should not give in to skepticism,
> suspicion or mistrust...
>
> I think we all agree that the use of ICTs can and should contribute
> to the achievement of the MDG's and I think further we are all in
> agreement that unless those working with ICTs on the ground to
> support local social and economic development are included in these
> processes very little can usefully be achieved.
>
> The challenge remains how to do that, including I should say, in the
> issue areas that you have identified as being the subject of the
> upcoming Geneva meeting.
>
> Certainly we all recognize financial and other resource limitations
> on the part of the UN (just as the UN should recognize financial and
> resource limitations on the part of its presumed interlocutors).
> One way of ensuring that skepticism and mistrust doesn't enter into
> responses to initiatives from and through the Global Alliance would
> be for example, to publish in advance the agenda for meetings such
> as this one, indicate the linkage between the discussions in such
> meetings and the broader structural/operational decisions and
> decision processes of the GA, and making available opportunities for
> broader participation/responses to those agenda items as for example
> through the use of email lists such as this one.
>
> I should say that I very much appreciate your candid and pointed
> response to my note and I look forward to the opportunity of
> continuing this dialogue concerning operational and structural
> matters concerning the GA with you and others within the Global
> Alliance in the future.
>
> Yours sincerely,
>
> Michael Gurstein
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sergei kambalov [mailto:kambalov at un.org]
> Sent: April 18, 2006 4:32 PM
> To: Gurstein, Michael
> Cc: plenary at wsis-cs.org; startup at unicttaskforce.org
> Subject: Fw: startup post from gurstein at adm.njit.edu requires approval
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> Dear Mr. Gurstein,
> First of all, thank you for noticing my silly mistake in re-typing
> the text of the Tunis Agenda: of course it should be "public/private
> partnerships". Thank you!
> Second, the message of late yesterday sent to, among others, Renate
> was supposed to be followed today by requests to her and others to
> tell us who else from the civil society should be invited. So, thank
> you, once more, for helping us disseminate this news and the
> invitation. Please spread the word!
> BTW, I did not see Renate's message to which you refer in your message.
> Now, on a more important subject. I am expressing my own PERSONAL
> opinion here, but I take a strong exception to your statement that
> this consultation is "simply another means to perpetuate existing
> closed door exclusionary processes".
> We strongly believe that we must use ANY opportunity to build
> bridges and ensure engagement of all who care about spreading the
> wonders of information revolution. We in the ICT Task Force have
> been trying very hard to do this, by all means at our disposal, and
> any honest observer has to acknowledge that we were at least
> partially successful in promoting inclusiveness.
> We all know that many actors, primarily those from the civil
> society, do not have the means to participate physically in all
> events. This is why our consultations on the Global Alliance took
> almost TWO years, with multiple physical meetings in conjunction
> with all relevant events, PLUS virtual discussions.
> What would you like us to do in this particular case - pay for
> everybody who want/should be present in Geneva? You know full well
> that we in the UN do not have the money. Does it mean that we should
> not use the opportunity presented by the Information Week in Geneva
> to gather as many participants as we possibly can in one room?
> This will be the first in a series of consultation on Action Line
> 11. In addition to this physical meeting, there will be a web-based
> forum.
> I think we all should focus on ways to promote inclusiveness and
> engagement. There is too much skepticism, suspicion and mistrust
> already, so let us try to move forward together, even if in small -
> but practical, realistic and sustainable - steps.
> Best regards,
> Sergei.
>
> Sergei Kambalov, Chief
> ECOSOC and Interorganizational Cooperation Branch
> Office for ECOSOC Support and Coordination/DESA
> United Nations, New York
> Tel: (212) 963-4751
> Fax: (212) 963-7454
> Email: kambalov at un.org
> ----- Forwarded by sergei kambalov/NY/UNO on 18/04/2006 08:40 AM -----
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> ----- Message from "Gurstein, Michael" <gurstein at ADM.NJIT.EDU> on
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> Subject:
> FW: [startup] Consultations on Action Line 11 of WSIS
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> Further to Renate's note of yesterday please see the below...
>
> I'm wondering if it might be possible, on behalf of the Plenary to
> reply to this "invitation" that a stakeholder "consultation" "to
> discuss ways to enhance collaboration among diverse stakeholders in
> ensuring effective multi-stakeholder implementation, at the
> international level, of the outcomes of WSIS as regards
> international and regional cooperation" held for 3 hours in a
> meeting room in Geneva is not a "consultation" but simply another
> means to perpetuate existing closed door exclusionary processes
> since only those already available in Geneva or with the requisite
> budgets to attend in Geneva for such a meeting will have an
> opportunity to participate.
>
> Those without such resources who will, I assume, include most of
> those (including their representative organizations and "caucuses")
> with the most direct and immediate interest in "information
> exchange, creation of knowledge, sharing of best practices, and
> assistance in developing multi-stakeholder and policy/private (sic?)
> partnerships" as the sources and originators and ultimately end
> users of such knowledge will be excluded from participation.
>
> MG
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> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:startup-bounces at unicttaskforce.org] On Behalf Of sergei kambalov
> Sent: April 18, 2006 12:23 AM
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> HILBERT; konstantinova at icnm.net
> Subject: [startup] Consultations on Action Line 11 of WSIS
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> Dear colleagues,
>
> We are pleased to invite you to attend a first consultation that
> DESA, in its capacity of "provisional focal point" for facilitation
> of Action Line 11 of the Geneva Plan of Action of the World Summit
> on the Information Society, will convene on 15 May 2005 in Salle
> XXV of the Palais de Nations, Geneva. The meeting will be open to
> all relevant stakeholders. The exact time of the meeting (most
> probably in the afternoon) will be communicated later.
> This meeting, convened in line with paragraph 108 of the Tunis
> Agenda for the Information Society, will provide an opportunity to
> discuss ways to enhance collaboration among diverse stakeholders in
> ensuring effective multi-stakeholder implementation, at the
> international level, of the outcomes of WSIS as regards
> international and regional cooperation. The other facilitators for
> this Action Line are the Regional Commissions, UNDP, ITU and UNESCO.
> As stated in paragraph 110 of the Tunis Agenda, "the cordination of
> multi-stakeholder implementation activities would help to avoid
> duplication of activities. This should ionclude. inter alia,
> information exchange, creation of knowledge, sharing of best
> practices, and assistance in developing multi-stakeholder and
> policy/private partnerships". We hope that at the forthcoming
> meeting, interested stakeholders will present their proposals on
> optimal modalities for this work, bearing in mind the specific
> tasks under Action Line 11 (see paragraph 26 of the Geneva Plan of
> Action here:
> http://www.itu.int/dms_pub/itu-s/md/03/wsis/doc/S03-WSIS-DOC-0005!!MSW-E.doc).
>
> We look forward to a productive discussion.
> Best regards,
>
> S. Khan, Director, Office for Ecosoc Support and Coordination
> Department of Economic and Social Affairs, United Nations
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