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sergei kambalov
kambalov at un.org
Wed Apr 19 14:04:58 BST 2006
Mr. Gurstein,
I absolutely agree with your views! This is exactly what we are trying to
address - and rectify. Thence the Alliance, and the consultations on 15
May. Neither will solve the big problem, but I personally am a big
believer in the merit of making even small steps - provided they are in
the right direction. By joining our efforts and linking our brains, we
shall get there.
Best regards,
Sergei Kambalov, Chief
ECOSOC and Interorganizational Cooperation Branch
Office for ECOSOC Support and Coordination/DESA
United Nations, New York
Tel: (212) 963-4751
Fax: (212) 963-7454
Email: kambalov at un.org
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19/04/2006 08:12 AM
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Mr. Kambalov,
Yes, you are correct and my apologies for misreading your original
message... Since it was sent through the "(GA) Startup" e-list I too
hastily took it that the message was referring to the Global Allliance.
However, I should say that even in such areas as "C.11 International and
regional cooperation", that is developing "requests for international
cooperation and assistance on infrastructure development projects",
"public-private partnerships", and "preparation and implementation of
national action plans" those involved would be well advised and would find
the outcomes of their actions to be more realistic, useful and sustainable
if those at the grassroots most directly involved in implementing these
initiatives on the ground were to be included in their design.
One of the clear findings from research that we are currently conducting
in Canada on the implementation of community based technology initiatives
http://www.cracin.ca is rhat there is frequently a deep mismatch between
the design of these initiatives and the realities on the ground and how
this directly interferes with the achievement of the goals of the
investments being made and dare I say, leading quite directly to
"skepticism, suspicion or mistrust... " on the part of those working in
the field attempting to make these programs effective.
Best,
MG
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Mr. Gurstein,
I am very glad that we are on the same page on really important things.
I am a bit confused with the last two paras of your message: you seem to
be talking about the Global Alliance for ICT and Development. However, the
meeting that our original message referred to will be on a quite different
subject, namely on the implementation of Action Line 11 of the Geneva Plan
of Action of WSIS.
In our message we say that the objective of this first meeting will be to
discuss how coordination among diverse stakeholders should be done and
what it should cover. The context of this discussion is the outcomes of
WSIS, and there is a link to relevant document in the message. If there is
anything else that this notice should address, please let me know and we
shall work on it.
Regarding, on the other hand, the GLobal Alliance the inaugural meeting is
planned for 19-20 June in Kuala Lumpur. As soon as the tentative programme
for this meeting is done, it will be shared with potential participants
and finalized on the basis of their comments. At the moment, we do not
have the programme yet.
Please let us know if we could bring more clarity.
Best regards.
Sergei Kambalov, Chief
ECOSOC and Interorganizational Cooperation Branch
Office for ECOSOC Support and Coordination/DESA
United Nations, New York
Tel: (212) 963-4751
Fax: (212) 963-7454
Email: kambalov at un.org
"Gurstein, Michael" <gurstein at adm.njit.edu>
18/04/2006 12:57 PM
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Dear Mr. Kambalov,
Thanks for replying to my note...
And I agree with you that we should not give in to skepticism, suspicion
or mistrust...
I think we all agree that the use of ICTs can and should contribute to the
achievement of the MDG's and I think further we are all in agreement that
unless those working with ICTs on the ground to support local social and
economic development are included in these processes very little can
usefully be achieved.
The challenge remains how to do that, including I should say, in the issue
areas that you have identified as being the subject of the upcoming Geneva
meeting.
Certainly we all recognize financial and other resource limitations on the
part of the UN (just as the UN should recognize financial and resource
limitations on the part of its presumed interlocutors). One way of
ensuring that skepticism and mistrust doesn't enter into responses to
initiatives from and through the Global Alliance would be for example, to
publish in advance the agenda for meetings such as this one, indicate the
linkage between the discussions in such meetings and the broader
structural/operational decisions and decision processes of the GA, and
making available opportunities for broader participation/responses to
those agenda items as for example through the use of email lists such as
this one.
I should say that I very much appreciate your candid and pointed response
to my note and I look forward to the opportunity of continuing this
dialogue concerning operational and structural matters concerning the GA
with you and others within the Global Alliance in the future.
Yours sincerely,
Michael Gurstein
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From: sergei kambalov [mailto:kambalov at un.org]
Sent: April 18, 2006 4:32 PM
To: Gurstein, Michael
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Dear Mr. Gurstein,
First of all, thank you for noticing my silly mistake in re-typing the
text of the Tunis Agenda: of course it should be "public/private
partnerships". Thank you!
Second, the message of late yesterday sent to, among others, Renate was
supposed to be followed today by requests to her and others to tell us who
else from the civil society should be invited. So, thank you, once more,
for helping us disseminate this news and the invitation. Please spread the
word!
BTW, I did not see Renate's message to which you refer in your message.
Now, on a more important subject. I am expressing my own PERSONAL opinion
here, but I take a strong exception to your statement that this
consultation is "simply another means to perpetuate existing closed door
exclusionary processes".
We strongly believe that we must use ANY opportunity to build bridges and
ensure engagement of all who care about spreading the wonders of
information revolution. We in the ICT Task Force have been trying very
hard to do this, by all means at our disposal, and any honest observer has
to acknowledge that we were at least partially successful in promoting
inclusiveness.
We all know that many actors, primarily those from the civil society, do
not have the means to participate physically in all events. This is why
our consultations on the Global Alliance took almost TWO years, with
multiple physical meetings in conjunction with all relevant events, PLUS
virtual discussions.
What would you like us to do in this particular case - pay for everybody
who want/should be present in Geneva? You know full well that we in the UN
do not have the money. Does it mean that we should not use the opportunity
presented by the Information Week in Geneva to gather as many participants
as we possibly can in one room?
This will be the first in a series of consultation on Action Line 11. In
addition to this physical meeting, there will be a web-based forum.
I think we all should focus on ways to promote inclusiveness and
engagement. There is too much skepticism, suspicion and mistrust already,
so let us try to move forward together, even if in small - but practical,
realistic and sustainable - steps.
Best regards,
Sergei.
Sergei Kambalov, Chief
ECOSOC and Interorganizational Cooperation Branch
Office for ECOSOC Support and Coordination/DESA
United Nations, New York
Tel: (212) 963-4751
Fax: (212) 963-7454
Email: kambalov at un.org
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Further to Renate's note of yesterday please see the below...
I'm wondering if it might be possible, on behalf of the Plenary to reply
to this "invitation" that a stakeholder "consultation" "to discuss ways to
enhance collaboration among diverse stakeholders in ensuring effective
multi-stakeholder implementation, at the international level, of the
outcomes of WSIS as regards international and regional cooperation" held
for 3 hours in a meeting room in Geneva is not a "consultation" but simply
another means to perpetuate existing closed door exclusionary processes
since only those already available in Geneva or with the requisite budgets
to attend in Geneva for such a meeting will have an opportunity to
participate.
Those without such resources who will, I assume, include most of those
(including their representative organizations and "caucuses") with the
most direct and immediate interest in "information exchange, creation of
knowledge, sharing of best practices, and assistance in developing
multi-stakeholder and policy/private (sic?) partnerships" as the sources
and originators and ultimately end users of such knowledge will be
excluded from participation.
MG
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Subject: [startup] Consultations on Action Line 11 of WSIS
Dear colleagues,
We are pleased to invite you to attend a first consultation that DESA, in
its capacity of "provisional focal point" for facilitation of Action Line
11 of the Geneva Plan of Action of the World Summit on the Information
Society, will convene on 15 May 2005 in Salle XXV of the Palais de
Nations, Geneva. The meeting will be open to all relevant stakeholders.
The exact time of the meeting (most probably in the afternoon) will be
communicated later.
This meeting, convened in line with paragraph 108 of the Tunis Agenda for
the Information Society, will provide an opportunity to discuss ways to
enhance collaboration among diverse stakeholders in ensuring effective
multi-stakeholder implementation, at the international level, of the
outcomes of WSIS as regards international and regional cooperation. The
other facilitators for this Action Line are the Regional Commissions,
UNDP, ITU and UNESCO.
As stated in paragraph 110 of the Tunis Agenda, "the cordination of
multi-stakeholder implementation activities would help to avoid
duplication of activities. This should ionclude. inter alia, information
exchange, creation of knowledge, sharing of best practices, and assistance
in developing multi-stakeholder and policy/private partnerships". We hope
that at the forthcoming meeting, interested stakeholders will present
their proposals on optimal modalities for this work, bearing in mind the
specific tasks under Action Line 11 (see paragraph 26 of the Geneva Plan
of Action here:
http://www.itu.int/dms_pub/itu-s/md/03/wsis/doc/S03-WSIS-DOC-0005!!MSW-E.doc
).
We look forward to a productive discussion.
Best regards,
S. Khan, Director, Office for Ecosoc Support and Coordination
Department of Economic and Social Affairs, United Nations
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