FW: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Civil Society and the Multi-Stakeholderism

Sun Apr 3 15:56:44 BST 2005

Dear Sir,
Thanks a lot for your reply and congratulations for
the effort made to translate with French babel fish...
Those who have the chance to deal with International
NGO in the North with some financial capacity can try
to help... the Civile society must be able to ensure
correct and sustainable translation in 4 or 5
languages.. our independancy begin with this
improvement.... You can check than african wsis civil
society list seemed to have find a first solution...
because of they wont it
Cher ami
merci pour les efforts de traduire même avec babel
fish... la société civile devrait avoir envie de
résoudre ce problème de traduction et quant on veut on
peut comme l'a fait la liste de la SMSI société civile
africaine. Notre crédibilité passe par là

--- mclauglm at po.muohio.edu wrote:
> Dear Djilali and others,
> 
> I apologize for my inability to express myself in 
> languages besides English. My Spanish is not 
> good, and I have no ability to write in French. 
> Unfortunately, "google language tools" and "babel 
> fish" translations do not help us to communicate 
> well. I appreciate what you are saying very much, 
> and ILO is an interesting example. So here is 
> another practical issue regarding process and 
> substance: how do we include everyone in respect 
> to language when, individually, we do not have in 
> common a first language?
> 
> In French-Babel Fish:
> 
> Cher Djilali et d'autres,
> 
> Je fais des excuses pour mon incapacité de 
> s'exprimer en langues sans compter que l'anglais. 
> Mon Espagnol n'est pas bon, et je n'ai aucune 
> capacité d'écrire en français. Malheureusement, 
> les traductions "d'outils" et d'"babelfish" de 
> langue de google ne nous aident pas à communiquer 
> bien. J'apprécie ce que vous dites beaucoup, et 
> l'OIT est un exemple intéressant. Tellement voici 
> une autre issue pratique concernant le processus 
> et la substance : comment incluons-nous chacun en 
> ce qui concerne la langue quand, 
> individuellement, nous n'avons pas en commun une 
> première langue ?
> 
> 
> >Relevant and important discussions on MSP issues
> both
> >on substantive and procedure aspects ....
> >1... We can note that this exchange is only in
> English
> >as if other non English speaking persons are non
> >concern by the debate... Those (a dozen of
> resource)
> >persons who are involved are they official persons
> >speaking on behalf of the whole ?
> >2... Persons like Francis Muguet has been very
> active
> >on the subject with official statement made in the
> >Prepcom-2 plenary, is he working on the subject in
> the
> >French world and if any how to coordinate ? If
> English
> >are not interested to include non English, it will
> be
> >difficult to coordinate... let's see what it is
> >arriving in Tunis ?
> >3... speaking on multipartenariat practices, i
> don't
> >think that ICC was the best case, i do prefere to
> >relate to ILO International Labor Organisation who
> is
> >functionning on a tripartite sheme - States - trade
> >unions if workers and trade unions of owners - all
> of
> >them are represented with equity from each
> country....
> >Rich as well as poor countries.... and it works
> since
> >near one hundred years, before UNO creation.... and
> >they do their best to try to correct the folish of
> the
> >market rules and transnational companies request
> >
> >La domination de la composante anglophone de la
> >sociÈtÈ civile est totale et mÈprisante, nul besoin
> de
> >se fatiguer ý traduire mes Èlucubrations....
> >Le monde non-englophone Ètant totalement absent de
> ce
> >dÈbat sur les multipartenariat, soit il accepte
> d'Ítre
> >marginalisÈ, soit il travaille de son cÙtÈ en marge
> du
> >monde englophone ...
> >Nous aurons l'occasion de faire le point ý Tunis
> >
> >--- mclauglm at po.muohio.edu wrote:
> >>  I must correct myself on a couple of items below
> >>  (before someone else
> >>  does:-): 1) the UN Charter was signed by 50
> >>  countries in 1945--two
> >>  months later, the inclusion of Poland brought
> the
> >>  number to 51; 2)
> >>  not all original member-states were from Western
> >>  nations (I
> >>  inadvertently omitted an "almost" below) but the
> >>  majority were so.
> >>
> >>  In fairness to the ICC, the debate about
> allowing
> >>  "private
> >>  organizations" access  to, and consultative
> status
> >>  with, the UN
> >>  involved the much broader issue of whether or
> not
> >>  NGOs (defined as
> >>  any non-state actor at that time) should be
> afforded
> >>  these privileges
> >>  or whether the UN should be a state-centric
> >>  organization that would
> >>  not be influenced directly by civil society
> >>  organizations.
> >>
> >>  Apologies (I'm not a morning person),
> >>
> >  > Lisa
> >>
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Djilali Benamrane : dbenamrane at yahoo.com
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