[WSIS CS-Plenary] Draft Statement for Sub-Committee B- Inclusion Issues

[richard jordan]

I think that my purpose, perhaps not articulated well, was to point out that different cosmovisions may look at a subject not only from a holistic approach, but also from the point of view of the Indian medicine wheel. You are looking at the issue from one place, perhaps I from another.

Not to change anything, just to say that notwithstanding the previous debate, of which I am aware, this is a valid view. Whether the strategy to bring this into any document now is correct, that is another matter entirely.

Richard

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From: "Elizabeth Carll, PhD" <ecarll at optonline.net>
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Subject: RE: [WSIS CS-Plenary] Draft Statement for Sub-Committee B- Inclusion Issues
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 23:41:06 -0400

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> Richard,
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> I absolutely agree with the concept of the whole person.  Unfortunately,
> governments, private sector business and even not for profits are not so
> enlightened.  I have never seen grants awarded for researching the "whole
> person", nor allocation of or access to medical services and resources, or
> insurance coverage made available on the basis of the "whole person".
> 
> It is essential that if we are attempting to hold government and businesses
> accountable for providing what they promise, it needs to be specific and
> written in such a way as not to create giant loopholes to circumvent the
> intent of outcome documents, declarations and other written commitments.
> 
> It is also my understanding, why we have experts (hopefully) provide input
> in various thematic and specialty areas.  I would not assume I know enough
> about intellectual property and legal aspects of privacy laws, to insist on
> changing language.
> 
> I believe everyone should be able to raise questions.  But there is a
> difference in requesting the removal of certain language, as did Sylvia,
> from recommendations that are made in areas that are also outside of the
> area of disability, and thereby potentially deny access of services to
> mental health information to those who are not disabled.  If this is the
> choice of the disability caucus as it pertains to their documents and
> sections of the declaration that is their decision (although I would not
> recommend doing so), but it should not be imposed on others.
> 
> Furthermore, access to physical and mental health information has already
> been included in the WSIS CS Declaration.  In my previous post I stated it
> was my recommendation to move forward in an INCLUSIVE MANNER ON ALL issues
> and cited physical and mental health as one example.  It was Sylvia's
> recommendation to then recommend the exclusion of physical and mental health
> information.
> 
> > From my observation, civil society would be more successful in accomplishing
> its goals with a more inclusive agenda rather than attempting to have
> language regarding others' issues removed.
> 
> Elizabeth
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> Dr.  Elizabeth  Carll
> International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies;
> UN NGO Committee on Mental  Health;
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> Not to offer an opinion on a topic in which I have no expertise, but only to
> say, if you have been to any of the meetings of the Permanent Forum on
> indigenous Peoples, you will have heard Willie Littlechild speak on the
> WHOLE PERSON, mental, physical and spiritual, just to emphasize Sylvia's
> point.
> 
> Richard Jordan
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> To: plenary at wsis-cs.org
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> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 13:11:02 -0400
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> > Sylvia,
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> > In my many posts I have indicated this is NOT SPECIFICALLY A REFERENCE TO
> > DISABILITY, which is only one aspect of the possible outcome of mental
> > illness.  The focus is on information for MENTAL HEALTH, which includes
> > learning information about emotional well being, resilience, dealing with
> > trauma, coping with stress, coping with illness, etc. all of which are not
> > necessarily under the category of mental illness and disability.
> >
> > Furthermore, it is included as such to PREVENT the SEPARATION of physical
> > and mental health as it should be seen as a seamless service/issue.
> > Unfortunately in most countries, mental health is separated from physical
> > health, and as a result services and insurance are arbitrary and
> > discriminatory.  The US is a prime example of the failure of a seamless
> > recognition and provision of resources.  Refusing to recognize this will
> not
> > make it go away.
> >
> > Not mentioning mental health will not eliminate perceived stigma by some
> re
> > mental illness, only eliminate the possible allocation of resources.
> >
> > Hope this helps clarify.
> >
> > Elizabeth
> >
> > Dr.  Elizabeth  Carll
> > International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies;
> > UN NGO Committee on Mental  Health;
> > Communications Coordination Committee  for the UN
> > Tel:  631-754-2424
> > Fax: 631-754-5032
> > ecarll at optonline.net
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> > Behalf Of Sylvia Caras
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> > > the inclusion of the recognition of both physical and mental health
> > > information.
> >
> >
> > We have this discussion again and again, but I will keep objecting to the
> > separation of physical and mental, and I object to perpetuating the
> > separation based on reference to prior documents.  Health is a seamless
> > blend of biological, psychological, sociological, spiritual and vocational
> > well being.  People who actually experience mood swings, fear, voices and
> > visions are whole human beings and, whatever the intent, it fosters
> > shaming, prejudice and discrimination to carve us out in this way.
> >
> > Sylvia
> >
> > Sylvia Caras, PhD
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